Richard Carrier - The Hero Savior Analogy

[The Grand Nudger]

I.e. cult leaders like Proteus Peregrinus or Alexander of Abonoteichus or Apollonius of Tyana; or Joseph Smith or any other countless example that has breathed between now and the last 2,500 years.  I have no idea how you think that any of these characters, including Christ, resemble, in their appearance in the historical record, the births of the gods and heroes in pagan mythology.  Your references to the latter are just bizarre.

What references.....?  See, you just keep doing this.  

Um, kind of, yeah... it would... if your claim is that the origin of the narrative's central figures were ultimately born out of the feverish imaginations of some individuals.  To know who came up with the narrative and why is crucial to your hypothesis when the simplest explanation need only confer to those countless other examples I previously cited, in which more often than not a "divine" is typically but a charismatic sociopath in charge of a frenzied, uneducated herd... which, apparently, is precisely what the historical record of Christianity's emergence reflects.

Well, since that's not my claim, it remains irrelevant, then, eh?  

Whose talking about the final canon? We're talking about the earliest documents that have been preserved from the first fifteen to seventy-five years following Christ's supposed death.  If there were more writings that were lost, and there undoubtedly were, you think that helps establish the non-historicity of Christ?  That's some amazingly topsy-turvy logic you've got there under your belt.

You have some other jesus in mind, than the jesus of canon?  Where then do we find -this- jesus, since the jesus of canon appears nowhere but the canon?  

In other words, I've responded to the arguments you've produced.  Admittedly, this is rather difficult, seeing as how (let's be honest) you haven't yet given one.

..................did you think that through before you said it?  

There's virtually no similarity behind the tradition of Heracles and his presence in Greek culture and that of Jesus.  But you either knew that, and acted disingenuously, or you're even less well-read on the relevant literature that relates to mythicism than you pretend.

Who's discussing the similarities behind the traditions of heracles and jesus?  

...now think again about that bit above. You've been responding to arguments -you've- offered. Which is also what you do with regards to the mythicist position. You seem to consider this a badge of pride, lol.