Reddit has its own form of shittiness, depending on which subreddits you frequent, but it tends to be less of a circle jerk than 4chan.
I've always seen 4chan as kind of a bandwagon that people accidentally fall into when they're bored, rather than something that they actively seek out in order to form their own individual opinions about things. You don't go to 4chan to speak your mind and engage in discussion. You go to 4chan to learn how to speak 4chan's language. Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting experience, and definitely worth checking out if you want to learn the nuances of this particular part of internet subculture, but just don't go in expecting to learn much else of value.
I've always seen 4chan as kind of a bandwagon that people accidentally fall into when they're bored, rather than something that they actively seek out in order to form their own individual opinions about things. You don't go to 4chan to speak your mind and engage in discussion. You go to 4chan to learn how to speak 4chan's language. Don't get me wrong, it's an interesting experience, and definitely worth checking out if you want to learn the nuances of this particular part of internet subculture, but just don't go in expecting to learn much else of value.
If we came from dust, then why is there still dust?