AW yes.... Gods love

[Timothy]

You mean it isn't ????

"cos that is the position of every christian i've debated on forums, bar none.

In fact I've debatede christians who's belief in the bible seemed to be more important to them than belief in god.

How odd. I've never met any Christian who would say "The Bible is right because the Bible says so." Most Christians will happily say "The Bible is right" or "The Bible is inspired by God" or "I trust the Bible because of X, Y and Z," but not the curiously circular statement you used.

And are you going to answer these questions?

....."What proof do you have that the Bible's view is true?" and "Why should we trust what the Bible says?"

Are your questions referring to the Bible's views on the particular questions raised in this thread, or to the overarching "Why even take the Bible seriously at all?" question? If it's the latter, it would take a very long time to give you a sufficient answer, but the former I could have a stab at.

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Sorry Tim the bible isn't that ancient ...the KJV is only 400 odd years old. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorized_...es_Version

The Authorized Version, commonly known as the King James Version, the King James Bible or simply the KJV, is an English translation by the Church of England of the Christian Bible begun in 1604 and completed in 1611."