RE: Signs you're a fundamentalist Christian
May 31, 2011 at 12:02 am
(This post was last modified: May 31, 2011 at 12:04 am by RAD.)
(May 30, 2011 at 3:00 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: LMFAO..the founding fathers were talking all of the religious crap in front of the voters, but behind closed doors they were sending letters to each other ragging on Christianity, and religion in general..Thomas JefferThey ragged on Christianity, and praised Jesus himself almost to a man. You are either ignorant or purposefully leaving out a critical half of the truth.
Do you even know all the things Jefferson said about Jesus himelf? If you were even close to right, they wouldn't have publically shunned Paine for Age of Reason. Franklin told him nnot to publish it.
James Madison Wrote:"The purpose of separation of church and state is to keep forever from these shores the ceaseless strife that has soaked the soil of Europe in blood for centuries."
-1803 letter objecting use of gov. land for churches
So there is James Madison HIMSELF calling the first Amendment "Seperation of church and state".
Which has nothing to do with anything. The question is what they thought of the Gospel itself, not corrupted Christianity. Jefferson called Christianity "stripped of the rags of the clergy," the "friendliest to liberty and the freest expansion of the human mind." Obviously you don't agree.
Madison said the world lay in darkness for wont of the light of the Gospel. Read his Memorial and Remonstrance again, assuming you have read it at all. BTW these men had to be elected to office by fundy Christians. Any clue at all why that is?
Quote:Benjamin Franklin on how he left Christianity to become a Deist ]". . . Some books against Deism fell into my hands. . . It happened that they wrought an effect on my quite contrary to what was intended by them; for the arguments of the Deists, which were quoted to be refuted, appeared to me much stronger than the refutations; in short, I soon became a thorough Deist."
Yeah we all know that from his AB, but he condemned Age of Reason, quoted the NT at the Constitutional convention when calling for prayer, and called the effect of Whitefield's preaching "wonderful to see." So when you simplistically call him a "deist" it shows you have no idea what a complex person he was.
Quote:Quote:"It is much to be lamented that a man of Franklin's general good character and great influence should have been an unbeliever in Christianity, and also have done as much as he did to make others unbelievers" (Priestley's Autobiography)
He also wrote an advertisement for America, claiming there were no atheists in America. BTW Washington said an atheist could not be a patriot in his second inaugural (as I recall), a statement which is surprisingly true since America without god is not really America, and the founders' greatest fear was that America would becme godless.
Quote:Abraham Lincoln's first law partner, John T. Stuart, said of him: "He was an avowed and open infidel, and sometimes bordered on atheism. He went further against Christian beliefs and doctrines and principles than any man I have ever heard."
He might of been an "infidel," but in later life said he wanted to visit the holy land and walk in Jesus' footsteps. (Hearsay but you use it so I guess it's fine)
Quote:George Washington was private about his religious beliefs, but it was generally accepted that he was a Deist/Freemason like his fellow founding comrades.=====Quote:Gouverneur Morris had often told me that General Washington believed no more of that system (Christianity) than did he himself."
-Thomas Jefferson, in his private journal, Feb. 1800
Generally accepted by who? Anacrombie the deist? He never said he was a deist. These are just hearsay guesses, from Anachrombie and other biased sources.
Funny he would sign a letter to some Indian chiefs telling them specifically to "teach your children our ways and aboe all the religion of Jesus Christ."
I've read it all. You have just read what you found on skeptics.com. You would think a skeptic would read it all and the Christian would only read half of it. Maybe real skeptics become Christians. Is that possible? History is full of such converted skeptics' testimonies, and they are invariably very thoughtful people like Lewis and M Scott Peck.


