AW yes.... Gods love

[Timothy]

So you do understand how many if not all christian arguments use circular reasoning? What is it exactly we should be reflecting on to see that it is not circular reasoning?

I'm not trying to be smart I genuinely would like to hear what you have to say on this.

I've already said that those who say "I believe the Bible because the Bible says I should believe the Bible" (whoever they are - I've not been unfortunate enough to have met any Christians who have not realised the circularity of this) are using circular reasoning. What I was saying in the previous post is that people on both sides of the debate often use circular reasoning, but not of the type Zen Badger referred to. In particular, people apply particular epistemological standards which may or may not be consistent with what the Bible itself says about epistemology. Take for example someone who is a local skeptic with respect to metaphysics (the view that it is not possible to have knowledge about metaphysics). Metaphysical skepticism is inconsistent with the Bible (which, for example, teaches that God reveals knowledge about Himself (e.g. Psalm 19), and so to apply metaphysical skepticism in order to argue that the Bible should not be trusted is applying circular reasoning.