(May 31, 2011 at 12:21 am)Cinjin Cain Wrote:(May 30, 2011 at 11:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: If you are refering to my post then you should do as I asked rev.j., Washington was a devoted christian. If I after reading material on Washington had even thought he might be a deist I would not say he was a christian. As for Jefferson he's not a christian and Franklin probably not, none of this matters though they all supported the rights to belief and faith.
Christians love to take credit for the actions of great men. The forefathers you are referencing were known to be Deist or practice a self-made hybrid of Deism/Christianity. Whatever they were, they were clearly not fundies of the faith. In reality, who gives a shit what they believed ... they were great men regardless, but you people want to make some kind of point that our country was founded in god and should remain Christian because of it. It's an extremely biased interpolation of historical evidence. The majority of people I know are Americans and thus claim Christianity as a default. If one of them happens to do something totally historically amazing before they die - you people will be the first ones to start yelling ... "he was a christian!" "I saw him attend church." It's bull shit.
I nor the christian church take credit for the accomplishments of Washington or any of the other great men who help found this christian nation. We do give praise to the christian men who stood boldly in support of our right to worship as we desire and not cave to those who would have limited our freedom of expression. It's you my freind who would destroy the reputation of men who worked all their lives to build their reputation as godly men, I for one do not believe that they, in any way, intended that as a right for anyone. I care that most of these men were christians because it did influnce the way our constitution was written and I thank God for calling them to this great task. No matter how much you desire that this country not be founded on christian principles IT WAS.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.


