Signs you're a fundamentalist Christian

[reverendjeremiah]

way off rev.

Who? Me?

What was I way off on?

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Always annoying...
Christians claiming Deists are one of them. It's so painfully insulting. Thank you Rev and Min for helping to set them straight.

Its GOOD having atheists for friends.

If you are refering to my post then you should do as I asked rev.j., Washington was a devoted christian. If I after reading material on Washington had even thought he might be a deist I would not say he was a christian. As for Jefferson he's not a christian and Franklin probably not, none of this matters though they all supported the rights to belief and faith.

I never said that I knew for a fact Washington was a deist. What I posted about him is how I view what he believed...he was on and off about religion, like many millions of other modern day believers. Many considered that he was a deist, because deists were usually the dominant members of the Freemasons at the time. George Washingtons rank was Grand Master of the Alexandria Lodge No. 22 of Virginia. I have NEVER spoken to an intolerant Freemason in my life. Most of them dont even care much for religion (and thus why deism is so prevailent in its walls). One does not make the rank of Grand master being an intolerant evangelical, as modern day right wing fundies try to paint George Washington as. The Freemasons have their doors open to ALL believers in god, from deist to christian to hindu to Muslim.

Me, personally. I think Washington shifted back and forth between light and moderate faith. Did he believe? Im sure he did. Was he an evangelical? Fuck no. Was he a deist? maybe. Was he a Christian? More than likely. Was he a Christian like YOU are a Christian? Definitely not. One can be a Christian with deistic tendencies. Can a person be a Christian and NOT believe in the divinity of Jesus..that he was just a man?

Now..lets talk about how George Washington "OWNED" over 300 humans at the time of his death as his "personal property".

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LMFAO..the founding fathers were talking all of the religious crap in front of the voters, but behind closed doors they were sending letters to each other ragging on Christianity, and religion in general..Thomas Jeffer

They ragged on Christianity, and praised Jesus himself almost to a man. You are either ignorant or purposefully leaving out a critical half of the truth.

Do you even know all the things Jefferson said about Jesus himelf? If you were even close to right, they wouldn't have publically shunned Paine for Age of Reason. Franklin told him nnot to publish it.

So..when Obama says he is a Christian on television then you automatically believe that he is a Christian, just like you? How about all of those "liberal" politicans who talk about god and Jesus? That makes them the same kind of Christian you are right? Because that is what you are saying to me. Many people, including the deists themselves tried to talk Paine out of publishing his novel, more than likely for fear of his life knowing that the extremists, such as yourself, would get blood lust over such writtings.

Now..what is it that you dont understand about a politician looking at the crowd and saying what he thinks they want to hear?


I dont worship the founding fathers like you do. I can see through their baloney. I can see that when they were adressing peasants that they would speak of Jesus to garner votes... when they addressed the Masons they spoke of "the great architect", and when they addressed deists the mocked Jesus.

Why cant you understand that this is evidence of typical politics... people saying what they think you want to hear...just like we have today.

Every nice thing Jefferson said about Jesus, I could easily dig up another from Jefferson that claimed he was nothing more than mythology.

Rev - 2
RAD - 0

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He also wrote an advertisement for America, claiming there were no atheists in America. BTW Washington said an atheist could not be a patriot in his second inaugural (as I recall), a statement which is surprisingly true since America without god is not really America, and the founders' greatest fear was that America would becme godless.

Here is his 2nd address:

Fellow Citizens:

I AM again called upon by the voice of my country to execute the functions of its Chief Magistrate. When the occasion proper for it shall arrive, I shall endeavor to express the high sense I entertain of this distinguished honor, and of the confidence which has been reposed in me by the people of united America. 1
Previous to the execution of any official act of the President the Constitution requires an oath of office. This oath I am now about to take, and in your presence: That if it shall be found during my administration of the Government I have in any instance violated willingly or knowingly the injunctions thereof, I may (besides incurring constitutional punishment) be subject to the upbraidings of all who are now witnesses of the present solemn ceremony.

The shortest in history. No mention of atheism, seeing that he and the founding fathers insisted that "no religious tests" should be enshrined in the constitution, much to the dismay of modern evangelicals who want to force their beliefs on everyone.

I think you are mistaking George Washington for George HW Bush

According to the January 12, 2005, Washington Times:[9]

"Mr. Bush told editors and reporters of The Washington Times yesterday in an interview in the Oval Office that many in the public misunderstand the role of faith in his life and his view of the proper relationship between religion and the government.
"'I think people attack me because they are fearful that I will then say that you're not equally as patriotic if you're not a religious person,' Mr. Bush said. 'I've never said that. I've never acted like that. I think that's just the way it is.'"

So..yeah..you are an idiot.

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5.If they are good workmen, they may be from Asia, Africa or Europe; they may be Mahometans, Jews, Christians of any sect, or they may be Atheists.... [George Washington, to Tench Tighman, March 24, 1784, when asked what type of workman to get for Mount Vernon, from The Washington papers edited by Saul Padover]

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8.As the contempt of the religion of a country by ridiculing any of its ceremonies, or affronting its ministers or votaries, has ever been deeply resented, you are to be particularly careful to restrain every officer from such imprudence and folly, and to punish every instance of it. On the other hand, as far as lies in your power, you are to protect and support the free exercise of religion of the country, and the undisturbed enjoyment of the rights of conscience in religious matters, with your utmost influence and authority. [George Washington, to Benedict Arnold, September 14, 1775 from The Washington papers edited by Saul Padover]