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Um, well actually my quote is from Mary Todd Lincoln as well.
You missed the part of Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance where he says the world lay in darkness for the want of the Gospel revelation, and in fact what he is saying is that paying religious teachers will hinder the spread of the Gospel. You completely missed the point because you aren't that interested in his point I must assume.
Washington's letter to the Delaware Indians is well known. Jefferson's quote about Christianity being "friendliest to liberty, science and the freest expansion of the human mind" is well known. I gave the source for my Madison quote. They are all easily googled by those actually interested in the truth.
In fact, since I make a distinction between the Baby and the dirty Christian bathwater, I think much more like the founders than you do I'm afraid. They never said anything bad about the Gospels or Jesus and they never made the logically silly error of saying "Christianity is bad, therefore the founder is at fault."
(May 31, 2011 at 1:57 am)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:What influence, in fact, have ecclesiastical establishments had on society? In some instances they have been seen to erect a spiritual tyranny on the ruins of the civil authority; in many instances they have been seen upholding the thrones of political tyranny; in no instance have they been the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wish to subvert the public liberty may have found an established clergy convenient allies.
-- James Madison, A Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments
Yeah, asshole. Madison thought the world of fucking religion!
As for Lincoln....
Quote:"Mr. Lincoln's maxim and philosophy were: 'What is to be, will be, and no prayers of ours can arrest the decree.' He never joined any Church. He was a religious man always, I think, but was not a technical Christian."
-- Mary Todd Lincoln in William Herndon's Religion of Lincoln
I think his wife probably knew him better than your unnamed sources...which like most religious horseshit is simply made up.
Um, well actually my quote is from Mary Todd Lincoln as well.
You missed the part of Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance where he says the world lay in darkness for the want of the Gospel revelation, and in fact what he is saying is that paying religious teachers will hinder the spread of the Gospel. You completely missed the point because you aren't that interested in his point I must assume.
Washington's letter to the Delaware Indians is well known. Jefferson's quote about Christianity being "friendliest to liberty, science and the freest expansion of the human mind" is well known. I gave the source for my Madison quote. They are all easily googled by those actually interested in the truth.
In fact, since I make a distinction between the Baby and the dirty Christian bathwater, I think much more like the founders than you do I'm afraid. They never said anything bad about the Gospels or Jesus and they never made the logically silly error of saying "Christianity is bad, therefore the founder is at fault."
