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May I draw your attention to the word "near" in the phrase "near-death experiences"?  The people experiencing NDEs were close to death, but there is no evidence that their experiences occurred in a state of total brain shutdown.

Current research indicates that NDEs are naturally-occurring hallucinations caused by the stress of body systems in crisis, with hormonal cascades and brain hypoxia, and are not credible evidence for anything supernatural.

I believe that all such experiences are 100% physiological, 100% natural, and 0% supernatural.

1) We already went through all this Astreja and has already been established that a brain devoid of oxygen and blood can not possibly create anything at all especially clear and sharp experiences.
Forget about the current researches.
None of them established that a brain devoid of blood and oxygen is able to produce anything at all.  

2) These people were not close to death.
They were really dead.
They were pronounced dead by qualified doctors.  

Yes, I was here Astreja, and I can attest to the fact that Rik has declared victory on these points numerous times.  I just can't recall if anyone has ever agreed with him.  When Rik declares it "has already been established that .." you have to remember that he isn't a very good listener, he projects a lot and English is not his first language.  In his own mind he so convinced himself that he just assumed everyone had been carried along on the force of his 'logic'.