Jim Cornette on religion

[Whateverist]

Except the regimes that did exactly that were worse off...

Makes me think of the video Jorgy recently posted about the five varieties of moral values.  

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SOQduoLgRw

Haidt's five moral dimensions as they relate to liberals and conservatives.

From his TED video, Haidt’s five foundations of morality follow.

1. Care/harm. We’ve evolved to feel (and dislike) pain. This isn’t just true for ourselves; we also sense and dislike pain in others. From this comes kindness, nurturing, empathy, and so on.

2. Fairness/reciprocity. This is related to reciprocal altruism. From this foundation comes justice, rights, autonomy, and the Golden Rule.

3. Ingroup/loyalty. We have a long history as tribal creatures able to adapt to shifting coalitions. This foundation underlies patriotism, selflessness, and self-sacrifice for the group. It is active anytime people feel that it’s one for all, and all for one.

4. Authority/respect. As primates, we understand hierarchical social interactions. This foundation underlies the virtues of leadership and followership, including deference to legitimate authority and respect for traditions.

5. Purity/sanctity. This is shaped by the psychology of disgust and contamination. Being repulsed by things that look or smell bad can keep us from eating unsafe food. It also underlies religious notions of striving to live in an elevated, less carnal, and more noble way.

Haidt theorizes that the rise of civilization may have needed all five of the morality categories.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamin...al-issues/

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Everyone embraces care/harm and fairness/reciprocity but the part of the population characterized as "conservative" also embrace in-group/loyalty, authority/respect and purity/sanctity. This really rings true for me. While the latter three seem extraneous to the notion of morality to me (a liberal) they aren't at all to conservatives. In this light, Huggy's point might be seen as how do you know that everyone can make do morally without religion? Isn't it naive to think that everyone is just the same in light of all the evidence to the contrary? The fellow in Jorg's video thinks that religion is important for conservatives. Just because those values aren't mine doesn't mean they aren't just as important to conservatives as care/harm and fairness/reciprocity are to liberals like myself. Who are we to think they should be more like us. Do they really have that choice?