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Another apologist with his "clever" questions
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions
(October 27, 2016 at 3:32 am)FallentoReason Wrote: I don't know *how* it would pragmatically create a universe, but that's beside the point.

This is borderline pantheism. I don't see any reason why a god has to lay itself down as the physical laws. Having a creative god which creates something aside from itself isn't a worry. For the set of all possible universes, it has to eventually choose to make one of them, and that chosen universe is what it is.

Put another way: who's to say that a universe can't exist without gravity? Who knows, maybe there's a set of laws that creates a perfectly coherent universe that has no notion of gravity, or even Newtonian physics. Our minds are too small to even begin comprehending what that could be like, but it doesn't mean it's logically incorrect.

How is easy. Energetic self expression: "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was with God" or if you prefer the Egyptian account "I am the Eternal...I am that which created the Word....I am the Word." It expressed self existence. This was a pro-creative act as the original infinite GOD(Father) forms/"Words" a new finite individuation of itself into being. The self begotten "Son of God" (God the Son). In order for the Son to exist separate from the Father space must be created between them. That is the space of the universe. This was the first act.

It also works in the lab and it's called acoustic cavitation; sounds waves in water can create a stable vacuum bubble, a void space "ex nihilo" where there was none before...just add vibration. It also produces light, look up sono-luminescence.

It also hold true to the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics: Nothing new is created (matter is just separated) and to make the space, the substance of God undergoes an equal and opposing reaction. It contracts both outwards and inwards, away from the bubble space of the universe, to it's center and periphery.

Gravity is inherent in an infinite (forever in all directions) absolute (taking up all available space) God of pure mass, pure matter.......not these 99.99999999999% non material atoms.


Look up panentheism.
"Leave it to me to find a way to be,
Consider me a satellite forever orbiting,
I knew the rules but the rules did not know me, guaranteed." - Eddie Vedder
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RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by comet - October 21, 2016 at 8:55 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by comet - October 22, 2016 at 7:05 am
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 22, 2016 at 3:01 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 24, 2016 at 2:07 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 24, 2016 at 8:52 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 25, 2016 at 11:54 am
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 25, 2016 at 12:26 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 25, 2016 at 1:07 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 25, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by comet - October 25, 2016 at 6:18 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 28, 2016 at 12:22 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by comet - October 22, 2016 at 2:51 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 22, 2016 at 4:09 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 25, 2016 at 5:22 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 28, 2016 at 3:49 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Lek - October 28, 2016 at 8:58 pm
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Arkilogue - October 27, 2016 at 4:02 am
RE: Another apologist with his "clever" questions - by Plixin - November 11, 2016 at 3:31 pm

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