(June 6, 2011 at 1:38 pm)Aerzia Saerules Arktuos Wrote:(June 6, 2011 at 10:23 am)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Most theists are agnostic as well.
If they were gnostic, they would know and therefore have no need for faith. This goes directly against Christian doctrine.
It is knowledge that requires faith, not knowing does not require the slightest faith.
Hmm, yeah my wording is a bit unclear. I should have said that being gnostic would be knowing, through proof, of a knowable proposition and if there is proof and the proposition IS knowable then there is no place for faith. Not all knowledge requires faith by my definition of faith. Faith is belief without evidence. If you have evidence then you have knowledge and the proposition would be believed based on that knowledge. Yes, one could get noodly and go the solipsist route, but I am a more pragmatic thinker than that and find no value in maintaining agnosticism regarding basic beliefs such as, "reality is objectively real." That is an epistemic matter, not germane to the conversation at hand as it was couched by the OP.
