Apparitions from heaven???

[Jehanne]

So what are we saying happened, here? Was it the actual Sun moving around, or a visual phenomenon localised to this one tiny village? If the former, how were the concomitant effects negated? If the latter, how to prove it beyond group hallucination and wishful thinking?

It was the actual sun moving, though without disrupting the solar system, and with only being visible to the 50k+ people gathered at that spot. The point of it was to show the town that the children were indeed telling the truth. So it had no effect on the world or on everyone else who was not there.

I just find it very unlikely that tens of thousands of people had the same hallucination at the same time, as predicted by 3 kids. Not everyone there were Catholics who believed the kids and who actually expected to see something. Also, the kids didn't say it would have anything to do with the sun... just that something would happen, but they had no idea what it would be.

The "kids" never predicted the so-called "miracle"; your history is extremely poor.  What they predicted was a miracle, not necessarily one having to do with the Sun; in fact, Lucia never mentioned the Sun prior to the October 13, 1917 event.  Also, the kiddos made other claims, such as being visited by an angel who gave them a consecrated host:



https://www.opusangelorum.org/English/Fa...arist.html


These so-called events, all prior to the October 1917 one, happened at least a half-dozen times, or so say the kids.