(November 2, 2016 at 11:16 am)Asmodee Wrote:(October 31, 2016 at 2:04 pm)Drich Wrote: That's crap. Let look at the scientific method.That would kind of make sense, maybe, IF you weren't leaving out the final step, peer review. That's the step where you release your theory to the world and a bunch of people who can make a name for themselves by tearing yours to shreds go over it for validity. There's no glory for the scientist who says, "Yep. He was right. Wish I'd thought of it." There IS, however, incentive to say, "That guy is stupid. I checked his results and they aren't right, making me smarter than him."
In step number 3 you are to formulate a hypothesis and step 4 you are develop testable predictions BASED ON YOUR HYPOTHESIS! That my friend is the definition of a self fulfilling prophesy.
Oh, my glob...
Ok I get peer review. Let's for the sake of argument, that just for this one post, you elevate me to someone as smart as you.. Now assume i understand the scientific method as well as you do/explain it here.
Now if you have such an open mind ask yourself now, what am I still 'on' about, if I understand and accept what you had to say here...
In a nut shell what I am saying is there is common everyday scientific 'stuff' that high schoolers can muddle around with in class. Then there is highly technical stuff that makes modern life possible, that makes your cell phone work that connects the interwebs and puts rockets on mars, ect.. Finally there is the fringe science stuff/top shelf theoretical science stuff that one a hand full of people on the planet understand. What worse this process of peer review is further reduced because the equipment needed to generate the raw data needed to support these theories are literally one of a kinda. Meaning there is only one Hadrian supercolider on the planet. There is only one telescope designed to locate black holes on the edge of our universe there is only one mars probe currently able to scan for evidence of life.
All of that means we only have one data point to explain the origins of the universe. All that it is, and all that it is made of. That is the big picture of what you are doing when you say the big bang is the origins of Bla bla bla..
So here is a Review on what we have so far: you have a single point of data collection/one super colider, one black hole telescope ect.. (which is insane as No other industry can make claims to their theories from one singular perspective yet make a universal claim that the whole world will believe without question)
You have a hand full of people on the planet who can interpret the data
You have examples of corruption in the claims made from CERN that were a year latter refuted
yet you think you are getting the same level or type of 'peer review' as you do with a high school level experiment?
Seriously?!!?
The whole scientific process bottle necks when the equipment used to formulate and verify theory becomes a billion dollar venture.
Meaning little to no peer review.
Which leads us to the second half of the discussion with the CERN scientists claiming to have found the Higgs Boson particle and it took a year for a 'peer' to object to their findings.. Long enough for the people who came up with the H/B theory to win a nobel prize...
Do you see it yet? can you see what I am 'on' about?
Science on the fringe level is so easily corruptible.
no or very little over sight, and is money/billions upon billions of dollars driven. Never a good combination.
Which brings up back to my statement that it takes as much faith to believe in 'fringe science' as it does to believe in God, if not more, when corruption is found on the higher levels/at the source of the data that supports theories like the big bang.