RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
November 5, 2016 at 4:09 pm
(This post was last modified: November 5, 2016 at 4:10 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(November 5, 2016 at 3:53 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Not in the hypothetical, it isn't. What are you missing about a universe that operates under different rules?
If it operated by different rules then it would be true by the law of identity that it would operate by different rules which would mean it didn't entirely operate by different rules.
Quote: You are failing to address the argument offered, instead addressing your own.
The point is that nothing can escape the law of identity because even if it could it would be true by virtue of the law of identity that it had escaped it and therefore it hadn't.
Quote: The question raised by the hypothetical -was not- whether or not such a universe could exist...but that if such a universe/ruleset did exist, is it logical?
No universe can exist that can escape the law of identity or can make two things and two things not be two things and two things/four things.
Quote:Obviously, it's a silly ass question. If an illogical universe/ruleset exists, can it be logical? Well, gee, let me think for a minute.
An illogical universe and ruleset cannot exist. Look how you just proved it... logically speaking if any illogical universe existed it couldn't be logical... which means it would be logical... which means there can't be illogical universes.
Note also that it's called a "logical contradiction" and not an illogical contradiction.
If the law identity was false it would mean that it would be false which would be true by virtue of the law of identity and thereby it wouldn't be false. See the paradox.
If the law of identity was false it would mean if something existed it wouldn't be true to say that it existed. Which means something can't exist without the law of identity (or not exist without the law of identity... but nothing can not exist anyways because then it would be something rather than nothing). If there were illogical universes it would be true logically speaking that those universes would be illogical and therefore they wouldn't be illogical they'd be logical.