(November 5, 2016 at 11:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm actually not - but it wouldn't -matter- if I were.
Yes you are whenever you say that the hypothetical doesn't have logical laws and yes it would and does.
Quote: I'm just giving it the term that was asked for it. Whether it can be what it is and not what it is, is not my concern, it's not my hypothetical.
The OP fails to describe a universe where all 'our' logical laws do not exist.
Quote:No one asked if it made sense, and I certainly don't think it does.
And that's why the hypothetical itself is not even being described.
Quote:I'm afraid I'm not the person having trouble getting it. You think I am, because it makes no sense. No shit..it doesn't make any sense...........
That's why you can't get it. You can't get it because there's nothing to get because it makes no sense.
Dude, it's not even possible to hypothetically to describe a universe where two things and two things are five things or when A=not A. The OP doesn't simply describe a universe that makes no sense it fails to even describe a universe that makes no sense without contradicting itself. A universe that violates the law of identity or basic mathematical sums can't even be described.
Quote:Describing a universe with an identity and implying that the law of identity holds in this case or all cases are not the same thing.
Describing a universe with an identity (which is any described universe, it's description=its identity) DOES imply the law of identity unless you don't understand the law of identity.
Quote:Oh for the love of god, who cares? That's not the conjecture, that's not the position, I've expressed no such opinion on the matter whatsoever, and you're tilting at windmills. Gratz, OP wins. You aren't strawmanning me nitwit..you're strawmanning OP, because you don't know how to address the insensible, lol. It's got you tied in a knot.
Yes it is the propostion, I can read. The OP is trying to describe a universe where hypotehtically 2+2=5 but it fails to do so. It says that the logical law of identity in our universe doesn't apply to the hypotehtical universe in the OP but it does because the logical law of identity applies to all universes. You can't define your way our of it without presuming it. You can't define anything without the Law of Identity. When you're saying "I define universe X2 to be without the law of identity" that means the same thing as "the identity of universe X2 is without the law of identity" which means X2 fails to describe the law
Quote:Let me lay this out, again, super simple.
No, you're simplifying it.
Quote: OP did not ask you whether or not such a universe existed or could exist. OP asked you whether or not the -rules- of that hypothetical universe whose existence was to be taken as a fact in the thought experiment -were logical-.
The OP said more than that. Fuck this I'll quote the OP to you seen as you're not reading it all.
* Edwardo Piet pauses responding to the rest of your post
