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On Logic and Alternate Universes
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RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
(November 6, 2016 at 12:48 am)FallentoReason Wrote:
Alasdair Ham Wrote:Universes can't evade logic.

No, they cannot. I completely agree. However, our hypothetical *isn't* evading logic. Its mere existence evokes *another* set of axioms by which it functions, rendering our logic obsolete *only if* you want to rationalise their conclusions such as 2 + 2 = 5. This *cannot* show if goblygoop (their logic) is logical or not.

Your hypotehtical fails to do that. You can't even hypothesize something that makes no sense. Universes are irrelevant. "2+2=5" equates to "something that isn't something else is something else"... no universe can be like that.

I'm fucking tired of all the stupid fucking use/mention errors. Just because we can mention "2+2=5" doesn't mean it's even possible to be used in another hypothetical universe. In fact it can't be possible in any universe. The Law of Identity and the fact that 2+2=4 is necessarily true of all universes. You can't escape it even hypotehtically by saying in universe X2 it doesn't apply because you implicitly imply it even by saying that.
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On Logic and Alternate Universes - by FallentoReason - November 5, 2016 at 1:09 am
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