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On Logic and Alternate Universes
RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
(November 6, 2016 at 1:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: -and if it's not different in the hypothetical, it still doesn't matter, because said universe holding to the law of identity, but not the other logical laws, is not sufficient condition for those laws, whatever they are, to be considered logical laws.

You've already agreed that if the law of identity is true then 2+2=4 and can't =5.

Quote:In a universe, where, when you add two things to two things, you have 5 things, 5 is the identity of the sum of 2 and 2

No such universe can be described. You're making a use/mention error. 4 things can't have the identity of 5 (it doesn't matter what universe it is). All you can do is label 4 things as "5".... 4 things are still 4 things and 5 things are still 5 things. Labelling is irrelevant.

Quote:the law holds, within that universe, but does not yield what it yields here, because that -doesn't- happen here.  It's not a contradiction -of mine-...it's simply a difference between this universe and the hypothetical universe.

I told you enough times it doesn't fucking matter what universe it is and I've given my reasons. A=A is absolute in all hypotheticals. Address that.
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