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On Logic and Alternate Universes
RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
(November 6, 2016 at 2:21 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Oooooooookaaaaaaay..........

-and assuming that what you have just said is true...which iIve been presenting examples of for some time now in order to get you passed this little mental logjam.........is the presence of the law of identity, and the fact that it holds in this alternate universe...where 2+2=5

There isn't such a universe hypothesized. No universe where 2+2=5 has been hypothesized. The OP thinks he has hypothesized such a thing and he's said explictly that he has but by trying to do so he's already presupposed a logical law that implies that 2+2=4 so he's violated his own hypothetical. The OP in essence has implicitly said "Suppose there is a universe without any logical laws and 2+2=5 oh but not really because of the law of identity" without realizing that's what I'm hearing because that's what's implied. You can't have a hypothetical that isn't itself. You can't have a hypothetical where A=not A. I can't address a question that doesn't even make any sense or a premise that isn't actually saying anything because it contains implicit contradictions that destroy its own meaning and I can see it.
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On Logic and Alternate Universes - by FallentoReason - November 5, 2016 at 1:09 am
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