(November 6, 2016 at 3:39 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Does what op says have something to do with what I say, Ham?
Yes when you tell me that in the OP's hypothetical A need not =A and 2+2 perhaps can =5... that's what the OP is saying. You're at least accepting the hypotehtical of 2+2=5 in another universe or the law of identity not applying in naother universe.
Quote:I've been asking you, for awhile, a less shit for brains version of op's question.
Whilst continuing to go on about 2+2 could =5 even if the law of identity applies. No it couldn't. 2+2=4 means 2 and 2 has the same identity as 4. 5 does not have the same identity as 4. In any universe. When we say 5 we mean 5 things which is not the same as two things and two things, that's 4 things. Doesn't matter what universe it is, if we're talking 2 and 2 we're talking 4. We can relabel and redefine 2+2 to mean "5" but the identity of 2+2 is still 2+2/4 and not 5, and the identity of 5 is always 5.
Identity =/= labelling. 4 and 5 =/= "4" and "5".
Quote:and again..if it -does- have that one law, identity,And it has to.
Quote: and all else is different, is that enough, in your opinion, to call the ruleset "logical"?
Yes because it would also imply that 2+2=4 and not 5 and I'm yet to see any difference between the OP's logical laws and ours therefore besides "there are other laws", because, as Bennyboy said, the OP has failed to give any hypotehtical examples that could apply in any universe at all.