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On Logic and Alternate Universes
RE: On Logic and Alternate Universes
(November 6, 2016 at 10:17 pm)Rhythm Wrote:
(November 6, 2016 at 9:38 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Whelp, I see Rhythm that you're very hesitant to even acknowledge there's a discussion front regarding the definition of "logical" in our language.
Not at all, amigo, but it won't matter what that discussion is, because if these rules of the hypothetical universe are different from our own rules..as to what logic is, we simply -need- separate terms to discuss them..particularly in their relationship to each other, intelligibly.  

Not at all. It's not rocket science. They are both logical systems of thought. Tick. Now let's move forward.

What isn't intelligible is saying goblygoop isn't logical and then wishing to talk about goblygoop. If its axioms don't form a system of logic, like say, making 2 + 2 = 5, then I'm not interested in it. It's not logical and therefore nothing can be said about it.

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Quote:I might have a few ideas as to why that is. But putting all that aside, I'm very much reminded of what one of my philosophy teachers once said - all philosophy problems are essentially problems of language. And the more I try and comprehend things, the more that rings true. I don't think either of us can really prove what we're saying, because it's semantics, and semantics is a big issue in philosophy of language.
You don't think so, huh? That ground leveling business is the retreat horn of the unintelligible.  When you and I use the term logical, in this universe, it refers to someother other than whatever you might want to use the term to mean in that universe...and if that's not true, then whatever it is in that universe isn't different at all.  We need seperate terms, if they are different. If they are not, we do not...but then, ofc, 2+2 can't be 5...lol. Your insistence in the op was equivocation.

Yes. It's different. The answer isn't 4, but 5. And that ability to produce an answer inherently means its a form of logic, therefore inherently making it logical.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it" ~ Aristotle
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On Logic and Alternate Universes - by FallentoReason - November 5, 2016 at 1:09 am
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