Supernatural isn't a useful concept

[theologian]

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Aside from particles, we see many other things which its cause can't be determine immediately like crime scenes etc. Does it follow that crime scenes like the particles doesn't have any cause too? Did we really found something such as particles to be without cause other than God Whom is an Uncaused Cause OR we just don't know yet? After all, particles are defined as particles. Where does its limited form came from? The crime scene is also limited in form, for there are scene that are not crime scene and we know that crime must be caused.




I think this is a good time for Atheists to recognize that correct theistic argument for God's existence doesn't argue from the premise that everything has a cause and so be reluctant next time to commit straw man argument fallacy repeatedly. If you want to be free from that fallacy here, you may want to point out that what I really said is that only those which has manner of being has a cause. So, everything that has a cause, has a manner of being. But God doesn't have a manner of being. Therefore God must be Uncaused. Isn't it funny that when atheist is asking "what caused God?", they are asking an absurd question which is "what caused the Uncaused?"? It's like asking: what have you done that you haven't?

So, if the invocation of the atheist of the proposition that everything has a cause is a straw man, then pointing that "if God doesn't have cause, then nothing will have a cause" will be missing the point too.

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I understand that you fail to have the knowledge of my friend's non-contingent vacuum cleaner. You see, he is a Purple Rabbit from the 26th dimension and his vacuum cleaner created everything. Ya know, since we can just assign properties to things without evidence. So I like my vacuum cleaner theory better than the failed hypothesis of God.

You can't just say things have a cause so there must be an un-caused cause; or at least that doesn't make sense to me. There certainly isn't evidence of an unmoved mover. Just like a crime scene suggests a criminal not a non-ontological being of pure act like a Crimus Purus.

I've heard these arguments so many times and don't understand why theists think that a god is necessary but different from the rest of the universe instead of stopping one step earlier and saying the the universe might be all that there is and somehow it either just is or sprang from apparent nothing of a singularity. I certainly don't know, well except the non-contingent vacuum cleaner.

Let's see. Could the universe be the Necessary Being, the Uncaused Cause?

To answer that, let us examine whether the universe cannot have a cause or it must have a cause.

Well, the universe is must the collection of things in it. But all things in the universe have particular form and configuration. So, the universe has a particular form.

But, everything that has a particular form must be caused, for we may ask, why is it in this form instead of another? What or whom form it that way? The one which or whom formed it may have not have a particular, or it may have, which in turn must be formed by another and so on. But, it cannot go on, lest nothing will exist. But things exist. Therefore, there must be a Necessary Being, an Uncaused Cause, which cannot be the universe. To deny this is to deny both reality and logic. And that Necessary Being and Uncaused Cause is called by people: God.