(November 14, 2016 at 8:59 am)Brian37 Wrote: Our system would be no more perfect or imperfect with or without the electoral college. WE would win every election if we would simply correct our focus and improve our turnout. STOP USING THE COLLEGE as and excuse.
You are wrong. It would be "more perfect" without the electoral college, if you actually care about having fair elections that is. While I agree with you that focusing on turnout would certainly help the Democrats win, all you are doing is playing within the confines of an already unfair system.
This strikes me as the difference between you and I. You seem to just care about the Democrats winning, regardless of the system in place. I care about democracy, and ensuring that the election system produces the fairest result, even if that means the Democrats lost.
Quote:If all we want is mob rule we don't need a congress either.
We have a representative democracy, so yes, we do need a congress. The point of congress is that representatives are elected from small districts within states (or for the state themselves), so that those districts each have a voice in the national government. The point of the President is to be the leader of the nation. As the leader of the nation, he/she represents everyone, so everyone should have an equal vote to elect him/her. The electoral college fails miserably at that job.
You can remove the electoral college and still have checks and balances that prevent "mob rule". The president is not all powerful.
Quote:No, STOP FUCKING FALLING FOR THAT, it should not matter. what matters is beating them at that game, not making excuses for our own failures at geography and turnout.
No, what matters is democracy. If you win by manipulating a broken and unfair system, that's a tainted win in my eyes. Fix the electoral system and win the Presidency fairly.
Quote:I don't care what western system you set up, any system can be manipulated and no system is perfect.
Right, but some are more resistant to manipulation than others. The electoral college allows a person to win the presidency with 22% of the popular vote.
