Trump on 60 Minutes

[The Grand Nudger]

I don't think that, I just think it's unfair and a kick in the face that people who have violated US law would be given amnesty when there are hundreds of thousands, possibly millions of people who went the legal route.

 

I'm not sure that fairness is the route you want to take when discussing illegals situation vs, for example, your own.  I get it, you paid for your ticket, it makes you angry to see other people on the ride, people who didn't.  

The economy might depend on them at the moment, but is that a law? The unemployment rate in this country is at 5%. Those jobs have people who can do them. They might not want to do them, but poor people don't really have the luxury of being picky when it comes to jobs. If removing all of them would take us below replacement rate, then narrow the criteria for removing them a bit. I don't see how enriching our culture should trump the law; these people broke the law, fact. We shouldn't be bending over backwards for them. I don't agree with your point about racism; this conversation is about illegal immigrants, who come in all sorts of races.

Right, so any practical concern is not your concern.  What you're interested is that they broke the law, by being here.  Fucking criminals. You know, the racists think the same thing, they just phrase it differently "they took our jobs!" Clearly poor people do have the luxury, since there's not enough illegals to do the work they do n the first place. People compete over them. As to what trumps our law......I've got jokes, if you're gonna set me up like that, lol. In any case, we -don;t- bend over backwards for them..we exploit and oppress them....I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that your lack of sympathy and refusal to acknowledge or discuss the actual state of affairs is awfully helpful in that regard.

You don't "disagree" with my point about racism.  It's not up for agreement. You'd simply rather not acknowledge it. Get back to me when that canadian border wall comes up, and british illegals are stopped on suspicion of being illegal.

It's not difficult for me to understand what it means to them, no. However these people abused the system and came here illegally. Not being as fortunate as me is irrelevant. I didn't have a right to just come here, I had to go through the process to gain that right, and that's the way it should be.

Yeah, fucking abusers, their crushing poverty is irrelevant.  They have no right, no right I say!

Again, I have to question what thread you are in, because no I didn't ask that. I asked: can someone explain why deporting people who are here illegally is a bad thing?

I could quote you, but I shouldn't have to. As to this other question you'd rather discuss.....didn't I already answer that question? I mean, you're arguing with my answer up above so it seems like I did.

So no, I didn't ask what was wrong with any process. I think I asked a very specific question about why, not what. I'm more concerned with the reasoning behind the process than the process itself.

Oh boy........this is the part where I tell you that the reasoning behind the process is bigoted reasoning, and you deny that plainly apparent fact.

Tiberius

Did you look at that chart?

What's the problem with it? That chart shows you all the possible ways you can get a visa / green card, it's bound to be complicated.

Its not supposed to represent a single person's route through the system.

Once you have a path defined, following it is long but not complicated. You fill out the forms they tell you to, gather the evidence they ask for, and send them in.

Looks like a "what" question to me.

I'd love to discuss this stuff with you, provided you actually answer my question rather than deflect my comments onto subjects that weren't even relevant. I think I asked a pretty simple question; I got some decent responses to that actual question from a couple of people. I saw your response from page 7 and have included my response in this post. However I don't think talk of militia was relevant to what C_L and I were talking about.

It is when a racist militia is cavorting around our borders to stop illegals and keep them secure.  Obviously, this is only relevant to what Min and I are talking about, which is the real world, and not immigration to and from your mental safe space. No, Tibs, you don't want to discuss this stuff with me. You want to divorce it from reality, and I'm not interested in that, as I keep saying.

Anyone who was conscious for this election, or spends so much as twenty minutes familiarizing themselves with both the state of immigration and the status of immigrants in this country, or their history of contribution -to- this country , let alone this country's advertised and indoctrinated ethos as enshrined on that little statue just off our coast can very easily see both what is wrong with the process, and why it is wrong to engage in it. So I'm not gonna baby step you there, you're a smart fucking guy Tibs...you can figure it out.

Me, I think we need a freedom of movement agreement over here, it's embarrassing that the EU has that and we don't. We're a country full of immigrants who inexplicable hate and fear immigrants and immigration.