(November 15, 2016 at 7:55 am)Mathilda Wrote:(November 15, 2016 at 7:35 am)Edward John Wrote: 1)Opinion Then, it would seem, that without God you would have to explain how the universe came into existence. Can you please do that? Tell us how the universe came into existence from your atheistic perspective?
2)There is no evidence for God, You can't say that because you have not looked at all evidence in the world. That isn't possible.
3)True and already proved on page 1.
1) Not opinion but evidence. The existence of the modern world is testament to the validity of science. It would not exist were it not for science. Science can explain to a greater or lesser extent how everything has come about since the Big Bang. We don't know everything, like for example why the Big Bang happened. But we know enough to make any form of god completely irrelevant to every day life. The gap that God can fit into is getting smaller the more we learn. This is why we no longer have a god of thunder for example. As for how the universe came into existence, we know that energy cannot be created not destroyed, but we know that matter came from energy. Can a universe consisting of nothing but energy be rightfully deemed to exist?
2) I do not need to look at all the evidence in the world. First there are enough theists looking for evidence who would only be too happy to tell us all about it if they ever found any. No evidence that stands up to any scrutiny has yet been found. Secondly, there can be no evidence because a god can't even be defined. You would first need to know what a god was in order to show evidence for it. No one can come up with a proper definition of what a god could even be.
3) So you are openly admitting that you are making a strawman argument.
Again, all you are doing is offering your opinion. Why should any of us in here adopt your position, your opinion, as the best representation of reality? The Big Bang, for example is essentially the claim that the universe came into existence spontaneously in the distant past. I assume that you acknowledge the Big Bang. If I am wrong, please let me know. Nevertheless, how would you explain the cause of this sudden initial "bang"? You cannot and no one can. Does any scientist know the physical properties of existence before the universe began? No. Can something bring itself into existence if it does not already exist? No. The universe began and it had a cause. How did it begin and why? No explanations can be offered with any evidence to explain the conditions before the Big Bang. Yet, people, scientists and atheists included, merely accept that an unknown, unexplainable cause brought the universe into existence. Isn't this faith? Where is the proof?
