On Logic and Alternate Universes

[Edwardo Piet]

Furthermore Rhythm fails to understand that 2+2=4 must apply to all universes and not just our own because two things and two things being four things is ultimately the same as saying four things is four things

No, it's not.  It's saying that the sum of two and two, is four.  

That's the same thing.

You're describing a necessary condition, but not a sufficient condition.

The law of identity doesn't have to be sufficient in all universes to be necessary in all universes.

It;s not an issue of logical laws, as was explained to you.  It's an issue of enumeration.  There's a reason we don't count 1, 3, 5 - and it isn't logic, nor is it the law of identity, lol.

No, I was just shown a bunch of equivocations.

Yes it is logic. Enumeration is a logical process. Two things together with two other things are, logically, four things.

That's what it would be here, and that's the only way to describe it here.

You're equivocating again. You're talking about an alternative conceptualization.

 But if that other thing popped into existence, there...they wouldn't count 1, 2, 3 4...they'd count 1, 3 5 and the notion of 2+2 (a nonexistent quantity to them) would seem nonsensical.

See? Doesn't matter how they count it it doesn't change the fact it would still be four things and then an extra thing popping into existence.

 Other Ham would be yammering on about "identity, identity, identity" against the very notion of 2 or 4, or that 2 and 2 was 4.   Because 1+1=3, and 3+1=5, and this must be true in all universes.

No, all you're messing about with is different labels.