(November 21, 2016 at 9:18 am)Little Rik Wrote: You were saying time and time again that this universe is full of imperfection and if a perfect God creates such an imperfect universe then there is no God or you consider other possibilities including the one where he doesn't exist...
I did not say that this universe is "full of imperfection." I pointed out that a universe where people suffer unnecessarily and justice arrives too late to prevent it either does not have a god, or it has one that sucks. You have tried to explain why this state of affairs is either necessary or preferable to one where god prevents such suffering and injustice from happening in the first place. I have pointed out that it's a stupid explanation.
I wasn't complaining that you had dropped the discussion. I just didn't think it was possible for you to do so.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
-Stephen Jay Gould
