RE: Honor between soldiers/fighters?
November 22, 2016 at 2:28 pm
(This post was last modified: November 22, 2016 at 2:34 pm by AceBoogie.)
(November 22, 2016 at 1:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: People feel proud when they ace the test, when they get a raise at their McJob. When they manage to have a child, just -have- one. I think we can let soldiers claim a little bit of pride.People can claim whatever they like, it doesn't make it correct or sensible. If you feel pride for getting a raise at your McJob, you're a McMoron. Sure you can feel proud for surviving a threat on your life, that's your choice. What's your point?
(November 22, 2016 at 1:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: You know who criticizes the military and it's actions more actively than any other group? The soldiers tasked with carrying it out. Propaganda is effective, sure, bullets even moreso. They show up fresh faced, motivated, squared away, hooah! Few weeks deployed, and it;s all bittervets with opinions. He's alive, and the other guy isn't. That's a 1 in the "w" column. Right, wrong, propaganda, all irrelevant. In that moment there;s only that moment. How you got there, or whatever you believed before, whoever you were before, meaningless.Bolded by me. Exactly. It's all meaningless. Including the pride. You survived a brush with death. You got lucky. There's nothing to be proud, or ashamed of. It is what it is.
I have survived threats on my life multiple times. I had a gun pointed to my head when I was thirteen years old. I've been shot at, I've had people try to stab me, I've been attacked by multiple people at once. I survived all that and more. Does that make me an honorable person? No. Should I feel proud because I defended myself in those situations? No. Should I feel ashamed? No. It is what is is. That shit is not important to me, it's just stuff that has happened in my life and I bring it up only to prove a point.... It's human nature to try and make what we do seem more important than it is. But it's all bullshit. There's nothing to be proud of in being a soldier.
Being a parent shouldn't make you proud. Being a good parent who supports their child with love, affection and appropriate discipline is something to be proud of. Treating those you love with dignity and respect is something to be proud of. Accomplishing personal goals that enrich and fulfill your life is something to be proud of.
Sure you can be proud for being a soldier, that's your choice I guess. It's not up to me to 'let' anyone be proud, that's their choice. Doesn't mean I have to see the logic behind it. The martyr complex (which is part of the conditioning) in some of these people is honestly ridiculous.
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It is the air and light of every heart – builder of every home, kindler of every fire on every hearth. It was the first to dream of immortality. It fills the world with melody – for music is the voice of love.
Love is the magician, the enchanter, that changes worthless things to Joy, and makes royal kings and queens of common clay. It is the perfume of that wondrous flower, the heart, and without that sacred passion, that divine swoon, we are less than beasts; but with it, earth is heaven, and we are gods.” - Robert. G. Ingersoll
