(November 23, 2016 at 10:47 am)Little Rik Wrote: 1) Without suffering people will keep on doing the same mistakes.I find it interesting that for point (1) you use a traffic violation as the example, but for number (3) you talk about people who "torture, kill or did a lot of crimes that affect a lot of people." Do you consider these to be the same? Imagine a world where the worst crime is speeding. You really think that the present system is better, because eventually the people who torture and kill and rape will get punished in an endless loop? Because that's stupid.
Quote:2) NDEs are clear evidence that there is Karma.No, they're not. NDEs are evidence that the brain can do funny things when it is oxygen deprived for a short time. Nothing more.
Quote:3) In one life time in most cases there is not enough time to experience all karma.But in point (1) you described karma as a way to help people learn from their mistakes. If karma waits until someone is in a whole new life to act, how would that person learn that torture or murder is wrong? What about the person who is used by karma to carry out this justice? What did they learn?
Take those who torture, kill or did a lot of crimes that affect a lot of people.
Some people need to be reborn again and again to pay their debt.
In one life they could not possibly pay all their debts.
You define karma differently at your convenience. That's not very convincing at all.
Quote:4) The universe could not exist without positive and negative.I have not suggested that the universe should not have negative. I am pointing out that eliminating the worst suffering is far better than punishing it after the fact and long after it would have been of use to either the perpetrator or the victim. To you, people are just numbers on a ledger that must balance regardless of how horrible their existence is. If that's karma, then it's useless and stupid. If that's god, then it's stupid and wicked. Come up with a better karma, or come up with a better god. Don't settle for something so useless and stupid.
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