(November 22, 2016 at 6:33 pm)Tonus Wrote:(November 22, 2016 at 6:01 pm)Iroscato Wrote: Man, if I didn't know better I'd say it almost looks like Christianity was cobbled together from multiple pagan religions, through centuries of assimilating cultures and creating hybridised belief systems in order to pacify the populace and ease the transition of acceptance, and that the modern Christianity we see today contains countless echoes of its true pagan origins.
Yeah, but Drich is correct. The concept of hell is poorly conceived in the Bible and can be interpreted in a number of ways, but there is no place in the OT or NT where the devil is assigned a position of any sort. Revelation 20:7-10 tells a different story:
Quote:"When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever."
If I'm not mistaken, it is either Dante's Inferno or Milton's Paradise Lost where the concept of hell as a place 'managed' by Satan and demons originated.
the passage you highlighted is also where people or rather church tradition reference the bible in stating we will burn forever in Hell, when in fact the only beings resigned to burn forever are those mentioned (the unholy trinity) will burn forever.
Christ in his time here says we/people or rather our souls will be destroyed in Hell.
I found this out first hand in dealing with 'hell fire.' Whatever you are/whatever makes up a soul is 'consumed/eaten' by this non-fire but fire like panic one would endure when they were being eaten away by fire.. The panic, the pain and the sheer fear, stress and Panic for lack of a better term destroys that thin thread that is our conscientiousness... In essence what makes you, you. your inner dialog part that turns into a wild animal trying to get away from the pain/hell fire. to the point where that too is consumed...
I think our time in Hell is directly proportionate to who we were and how bad we lived, but it is not forever. I was shown the gates, did go into Hell, but just the gates and felt myself slipping away from sanity.. I can't imagine it getting worse, but I knew that it did, then add forever on top of all of that... That was the point I accepted my fate and let go, only to be pulled back... I can imagine what waited for me/us on the other side, but I knew it was not satan or his demons as they too were being consumed. I could hear the screams and found out first hand what gnashing of teeth were and why that is such a bad thing.. That said I also hear the screams of other beings as well.
Before i started my study before I knew of a hell besides the Dante' version I experienced all of this, and 20+ years later can support everything I experienced with what the bible actually says about hell. I got to live out what the bible said long before I ever knew any of it to ever be true.
