RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 2, 2016 at 12:43 pm
(This post was last modified: December 2, 2016 at 12:46 pm by Homeless Nutter.)
(December 2, 2016 at 11:32 am)Ignorant Wrote: 1) HA! Clearly? "Rather, he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human likeness; and found human in appearance" (Phil 2:7) If that's true, and God humbled himself as lowly as possible (i.e. as a man), couldn't it also be "clear" that God sees MEN as inferior to women?
Uhm, no. You're making up stuff that isn't there. First of all - is a regular human as humble a form as possible? Surely - if god took the form of a leper, a midget, a pig, a goat, a broomstick, or a genital wart - that would have been way more humbling, I imagine. But of course - you don't expect god to come as anything other than a fully fledged human, do you? And neither did the people who wrote the bible, who - let's not forget - treated women like cattle.
Your god supposedly came as a dude, not because a woman would be of too high standing for this sacrifice of his, but the exact opposite - because had he come as a female, he'd have no right to teach, or lead Jews. Had Jesus been a woman, he'd get sold off to some guy at the age of 12 and would be squirting out kids for the rest of his/her natural life.
(December 2, 2016 at 11:32 am)Ignorant Wrote: 2) That is not an adequate understanding of Christianity. Jesus's humanity had nothing to do with the creative act. In fact, Jesus's masculine humanity comes ONLY from Mary's humanity. It is a reversal of the Adam and Eve narrative.
Adam (Old Man) => Eve (Old Woman)
Mary (New Woman) => Jesus (New Man)
I have no idea what you're going on about. What do Adam and Eve have to do with this? God is a male. He's the best. Mary may be the bestest woman ever-ever - but she's still just a meat-puppet and has no powers, other than whatever the male god will allow her. Therefore - masculinity is inherently superior, according to the stories you claim to live your life by. That's the message that's been drilled into the minds of dumb people for thousands of years.
(December 2, 2016 at 11:32 am)Ignorant Wrote: 3) Have you heard of the titles: co-redemtrix and co-mediator of graces? It's not due to Christ's masculinity that he is worshiped and she is venerated. It is due to his DIVINITY.
Blah, blah, blah, magical stuff... None of this has anything to do with my point - a particularly obedient female may be the closest thing to god, as you said yourself - but she can't be a god (hell - she can't be a priest) and would be nothing, without the male in her life. You can dress it up in flowers and bullsh*t, but at the end of the day - the symbolism of this is clear. And this is why we live in a society, where women had to wait another 2000 years after Jesus, for any semblance of equality.
(December 2, 2016 at 11:32 am)Ignorant Wrote: If anything, it explains the massive superiority complex men have had throughout the ages. While men have the same inherent worth and dignity as women, men might simply be inferior when it comes to naturally living well, and even God knew it! If he is going to redeem humanity as the weakest of humans... gotta go with the male version! I had never thought of that before. Thanks!
4) I agree that most every religion has treated women that way in different ways and at different times. Is it inherent to their revealed understanding of humanity? I don't think so.
Ugh... You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. You're simply making up your own christianity, just like pretty much every christian does. There is nothing in the bible about males being "the weakest". It's just apologetic ad hoc nonsense. This is the thing - when you're not bound by any kind of reality, or testability of your claims - not even within biblical context - you can pull explanations out of your a*se all day, massaging the barbaric religious dogma, to suit your modern sensibility.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one." - George Bernard Shaw