RE: The Clear Proof
June 18, 2011 at 12:32 am
(This post was last modified: June 18, 2011 at 12:35 am by reverendjeremiah.)
(June 17, 2011 at 11:32 pm)Rayaan Wrote: Maybe the clear proof used to be a clear proof when Muhammad was alive. That's why so many people converted to Islam. But the "clear" proof doesn't exist anymore, I suppose. (?)Right..because back then it was much easier and expected to be converted by sword point than in the modern world which frowns upon it. Honestly Rayaan! Read the clear proof again. It is a condemnation of the non-believers and a "pie in the sky" reward for those who convert. Their "proof" is "Do this or die!". I can CLEARLY see it.
Your excuse is weak and petty.. insulting my intelligence.
(June 17, 2011 at 11:32 pm)Rayaan Wrote: I said this earlier, which is that all these "proofs" for Islam are basically a matter of degrees because our perception of them differ from one another in the same way as teleological arguments, fine tuning arguments, and all the other arguments for the existence of God. The air, water, earth, clouds, food, light, butterflies, flying squirrels, etc. are all proof to me for the existence of God, but they are only natural elements for an atheist. Similarly, even humans are a proof to me, while for you, they are nothing but biological entities originating from a sperm and an egg cell.Again with the insults to intelligent thinkers. For one moment did you even STOP TO THINK that these same excuses can be applied to every single god and goddess and religious text in history?
What fine tunning? The Earth can be almost halfway to Venus and somewhere around Mars to still be in the "habitable zone". This is MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF MILES. Sounds like you are trying to glorify generality as proof of a "perfect creator".
..and your example of me with "sperm and egg" is ten thousands times more correct and true concerning reality than the shit heap called the Quran. If you dont think you came from a "sperm and egg" then you are flat out ignorant.
