Karma poll

[Little Rik]

1) By criticizing a supernatural reality you automatically say that is all bull.

So this is a case of you deciding on an interpretation that suits you, instead of admitting that your reading comprehension is poor.

Wrong again Ton.  
Why would you criticize something if you believe in it?
You criticize because you don't believe in it.
This is obvious.  

2) There is no problem with reaching a consensus with anyone who practice the same path

Sure there is.  Ask all of those Buddhists and Hindus to explain what karma is and see how many different answers you get.  And the more detail you ask them to provide, the farther and farther apart they will get.  Just like any other religion or belief system that relies on mysticism or spirituality.

It is obvious that a consensus can not be reached with religious people such as Buddhists and Hindus.
Religions are based on dogmas while spirituality is dogma free.
Yoga does not follow the dowry system nor the caste system nor the hundreds of Gods which at the end make people suffer so much.
These religious people may well believe that karma is real but in order to be reborn a better person
you must follow their dogmas that is why yoga can not reach a consensus with these people.

3) Let me explained what the feeling of separation is all about.

The concept is clear.  How you get there is not testable.  It cannot be falsified.  It cannot be quantified.  A person's "journey" through university can be tracked by a number of metrics with varying degrees of accuracy and certainty.  Your spiritual journey cannot.

Yes and not Ton.
You certainly could not grasp any evidence that a person is spiritually evolved and God is within that person but other people can.
There are two requisites to understand whether a person is in a particular wavelength.
The first is to be more evolved than the person you want to test.
The second is to be station or be in the same situation.
Many years ago when I was driving taxis down in Sydney I could understand very easily whether the bloke
is a junk, a normal person or an exceptional person.
Years in close contact with the public gave me that understanding so yes even now I can tell the wavelength of a person.
On the other hand a person with a less powerful wavelength can not grasp what is above him-her that is why you can not grasp anything about God and spirituality.

4) By mentioning that the cause of NDEs is oxygen deprivation to the brain only you were wrong that is why I did correct you by saying that the lack of oxygen is not the only cause.
Also the lack of blood is important.

Only because blood brings oxygen to the brain.  I'd ask for you to explain what other reason there is, but I know you'll just fire up the WOO WAGON and go on another bumpy ride off of a logical cliff.

You don't get it Ton.  

Forget for a moment your oxygen and the cause of death.
That is not the point.
The bloke is dead and the consciousness separate from the dead body.
This is the relevant point all the rest are less important.  

Not only that but by not saying that also the body deprived by the flow of oxygen and blood you pretend that only the brain is involved in the NDE.

Not pretend-- this is what research indicates.  If you have anything more than wild guesses based on your need to remain in your dogmatic bubble, you are free to do the research and help the world gain more actual knowledge and understanding.  I'm going to wager that you'll just hop back into your WOO WAGON

Researches and more researches which related to the physical-mental aspect.
Unfortunately for you Ton you still can not get the fact that the consciousness is not physical nor mental therefore all these researches find absolutely nothing.  

5) Proving a claim?

Yes, proving it.  If you intend to hide behind the excuse that it can only be tested spiritually, you run into the problem above-- no consensus because there is no way to test the claim.  In other words... you can't prove it.  So don't lie to me about how to prove a spiritual claim when you are admitting that it cannot be tested.  If you can't prove it then it's nothing but a claim and it's useless.

Just answered to this question above.
Read it again Ton.  

6) I did show you how every single thing in this finite universe go hand in hand with the positive and negative.

No, you didn't SHOW anything.  You made a bunch of claims that we both know you cannot substantiate because we went through this before.  You have your own definition of how "the positive and the negative" apply to the progress humanity has made, and you change that definition whenever it suits your point.  I know that you don't have a coherent argument against what I said because you had a chance before and you failed, and you're trying to make the very same argument now.  It's still a failure.  Try something better.

Don't you realize that by not answering the question you fall more and more into the mental sewer?
You came up with the idea that we have tons of real progress in this world.
When I challenge you to mention one single progress you fail to do so and now you came up with more crap in order to hide your new failing.
Shame Ton shame.