(December 15, 2016 at 2:39 pm)Shell B Wrote: I didn't see Min say at all that it wasn't good people doing good things. In fact, quite the contrary. He's saying it's people doing good things, not the church.
You mentioned that the people and the church are not separate entities. Try moving into the palace, um churches, at Vatican City and telling them you're not a separate entity. Religion is big business. Sure, there are a lot of small churches and groups of people within the church doing good, but the credit belongs to the people who do it, not Catholicism itself.
If they are Catholic people motivated by their Catholic faith and doing charity that was organized through their Church and using Church donations, how can that not be called Catholic Charity? What would it have to be for it to be considered "real" Catholic Charity, if not that?
Quote:If that's the case, then you have to take equal credit for the child rape allowed in vast numbers by members of your church. If the charity is the church, so is the rampant child abuse.
I would agree with you if Church doctrine actually taught that raping children and/or covering up rape was good and was what we should do. Then those men would be acting on their religious beliefs, and yes, it would be the fault of "the Church" as a whole and not merely the fault of the individuals involved.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
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