RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 19, 2016 at 7:51 am
(This post was last modified: December 19, 2016 at 7:54 am by Ignorant.)
(December 19, 2016 at 7:41 am)Jesster Wrote: 1) It's equally as falsifiable as your own proposition from before. Suddenly you have a problem with your own logic now, though. I thought as much. [1]
2) Exactly why we shouldn't be defining things away like this. [2]
1) Claiming that "being-itself exists / god exists" is significantly different than claiming that "I am being-itself / I am god" (which was your claim). The former is falsifiable, I am not so sure about the latter.
2) Right. We shouldn't be defining ourselves as the creator goddess. Cheers!
(December 19, 2016 at 7:49 am)pocaracas Wrote: The thing being an assumption is twofold, here:
1. The being - why must the necessary creator/starter/initiator/spark/mover/etc be a being? Automatically, you are assuming consciousness, awareness, intent. [1]
2. Name it a god. God, as a word, carries a huge baggage. Since time immemorial, mankind has worshiped gods. They, the gods, have been many things, but typically, they are rulers, creators, fathers, mothers, generators of natural forces. And mankind still, to this day, retains the feeling that such god(s) need(s) us to kneel to them, as if they're petty human rulers; or grovel for their love as if they are petty human parents; or praise them as if they're petty human heroes. If there is an ultimate creator entity, it should care little for our groveling, our love, our worship, our praise. Much as you care little for an ant's groveling, love, worship or praise... you don't even see them as fit to carry out these complex tasks.
Why should an ultimate creator care for you? Oh... he created you out of the mud, you may say?... just adding more baggage, I say. [2]
1) I don't say that the necessary creator, etc. must be a being. I say that being-itself exists, and is the source of being for everything else that exists. I haven't spoken about intelligence or consciousness or intent at all in this context.
2) That is a big leap from being-itself to worship and caring for other things. Seems a bit premature given what I've said so far.
