RE: Atheists, tell me, a Roman Catholic: why should I become an atheist?
December 19, 2016 at 8:27 am
(December 19, 2016 at 8:08 am)pocaracas Wrote: Now now... You said "necessary being". no backsies! :[1]
If you are wanting to say that it is equivalent to a "necessary creator", then that's where my problems begin. [2]
I don't like a creator being a being. [3]
A creator of the Universe can be many things... most of them not conscious.
Also, just because we can infer a start to our Universe, that does not mean that, if there is something beyond our Universe, it too had some sort of start and that it too requires some creator. [4]
Are you starting to see why I mentioned "argument from ignorance", earlier? [5]
Just below your username, it says "catholic"... I assumed you made that leap at some point in your life... so why not go there?... [6]
1) Right... which is the same thing as being-itself.
2) Good, because I definitely have never wanted to say that.
3) I don't like the creator being "a" being. Instead, a creator would be "being-itself".
4) I agree. "Historical" understandings of "cosmological" arguments (tracing causality through time to a 'beginning") are dead ends.
5) Yes I do see why you mentioned that. I don't see why you think all of Thomas's arguments are such arguments. I can see the 2nd way, and maybe even the 1st, but not the 3rd 4th and 5th.
6) Because the question was about the falsifiability of the concept of god. I brought up a concept of god which is in principle falsifiable. If you want to ask, "Well what about the falsifiability of the Trinity?!?", it seems like it doesn't belong in the point of the conversation when we are still discussing the most basic concept of god at all. Why discuss the more complex issue when you haven't even begun to agree about the simpler one?
