(December 19, 2016 at 11:12 am)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:(December 19, 2016 at 12:18 am)paulpablo Wrote: You said they don't want to be in France because they're not welcome there. The place where they want to go is the UK. I'm saying they're pretty much not welcome in the UK either. In the sense that legally they're not welcome here by laws put in place by the people who run the country.
Yes. But my point was about how they perceive the two nations, not that their perceptions were correct.
(December 19, 2016 at 12:18 am)paulpablo Wrote: So you're saying these illegal immigrants wouldn't want to stay somewhere they're not welcome, I'm saying isn't the whole point of what they're doing to try and aggressively head towards a place where they're not welcome, a place where the powers that be will try and prevent them from entering.
lol, "aggressively". Were you much worried about aggression in 2003 when your own country helped mine in creating this mess in the first place?
In case you haven't noticed, I'm not saying that you're wrong -- you're probably right, plenty of Englishmen scared of foreigners and busy erecting walls (yours legal, because you have the luxury of the Channel) to keep them out. I'm not arguing that. There are small people the world over -- my own country just had 48 million of them out themselves and fuck our country in so doing.
(December 19, 2016 at 12:34 am)ApeNotKillApe Wrote: I don't believe I've ever heard the sentiment 'we should look out for our own' followed by anything that could remove it from the realm of vague parrotism.
I've usually found it to be a fig leaf for an ugly xenophobia. It's clear that people like Bella have yet to read John Donne's Meditation XVII, or understand it.
Why would they mistakenly think they're welcome into a country that law enforcers are aggressively trying to keep them out of?
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
Impersonation is treason.
