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"God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion
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RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion
(December 22, 2016 at 9:12 am)Tazzycorn Wrote: Until we have evidence to the contrary accepting "god does not exist" as the default hypothesis is the only logical course of action. Arguing for the existence of a god is positing a being which according to our knowledge is not only not neccessary but in some ways looks to be contrary to our knowledge of how the universe. In order to accept that there is a god sufficient evidence needs to be given. So far theists have given fuck all evidence.

Asserting that god doesn't exist is as scientifically valid at the moment as asserting phlogiston doesn't exist.

You make a very good point.  If I assert that I have magical powers like Superman it is fair to assume the claim is not true until I offer some proof and, in fact, everybody does that on a regular basis.  If a claim is just too fantastical to believe, we don't believe it until the claimant proves it.  That is actually just the way our brains work.  So it's definitely fair to say that God does not exist until there is some evidence to suggest otherwise.

Of course we have all seen people offer plenty of what they think is evidence for the existence of a favored deity, but that evidence always falls within the same few categories.  Logical fallacies such as appeal to authority or popularity are popular ones.  Very often the "evidence" is nothing more than simple assertions or unsupported claims.  Or Michael Behe's "observations and logical inferences" where he conveniently leaves out that you start with the answer you want and work back from there to find the observations and make up inferences which sound logical.  But more often than not the "evidence" they offer is nothing more than an argument, usually rife with logical fallacies.  But they back that with appeals to authority and complete lack of understanding of the physical universe around us.

But yes, very good point.  It is certainly fair to simply assume, and even state outright that a fantastical claim is false until there is some evidence to suggest otherwise.  If we did not do that we would all spend our entire lives trying to disprove dragons and fairies and Bigfoot.  If the world worked like that we'd still be stuck in the Middle Ages because nobody would have time for worthwhile ventures.
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"God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by RiddledWithFear - December 20, 2016 at 6:41 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Minimalist - December 20, 2016 at 7:57 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by brewer - December 20, 2016 at 8:05 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Magilla - December 20, 2016 at 8:26 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Simon Moon - December 20, 2016 at 8:44 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Simon Moon - December 20, 2016 at 9:02 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by chimp3 - December 21, 2016 at 5:46 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by robvalue - December 21, 2016 at 7:14 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Chas - December 25, 2016 at 1:53 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Pat Mustard - December 21, 2016 at 9:36 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by robvalue - December 21, 2016 at 5:30 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Casca - December 21, 2016 at 5:48 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Amarok - December 21, 2016 at 7:47 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 21, 2016 at 10:51 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Pat Mustard - December 21, 2016 at 10:59 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 21, 2016 at 12:17 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 21, 2016 at 6:18 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Mister Agenda - December 21, 2016 at 11:00 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 21, 2016 at 11:55 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Asmodee - December 21, 2016 at 4:14 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Minimalist - December 21, 2016 at 11:36 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Mister Agenda - December 21, 2016 at 10:54 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by vorlon13 - December 21, 2016 at 11:05 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Asmodee - December 21, 2016 at 11:06 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Asmodee - December 21, 2016 at 3:47 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Asmodee - December 21, 2016 at 6:05 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Mister Agenda - December 21, 2016 at 11:30 am
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RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Jesster - December 21, 2016 at 11:57 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Pat Mustard - December 22, 2016 at 9:12 am
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RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Amarok - December 21, 2016 at 2:39 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 21, 2016 at 3:11 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Amarok - December 21, 2016 at 4:25 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Whateverist - December 21, 2016 at 4:17 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Simon Moon - December 21, 2016 at 5:10 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Simon Moon - December 21, 2016 at 5:54 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Simon Moon - December 21, 2016 at 6:15 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by bennyboy - December 21, 2016 at 6:27 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by robvalue - December 22, 2016 at 3:49 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 22, 2016 at 9:40 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Pat Mustard - December 22, 2016 at 11:42 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 22, 2016 at 11:57 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Tonus - December 22, 2016 at 2:53 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 22, 2016 at 3:48 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Tonus - December 22, 2016 at 6:48 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Pat Mustard - December 23, 2016 at 6:50 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by downbeatplumb - December 22, 2016 at 11:47 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 22, 2016 at 1:21 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by robvalue - December 22, 2016 at 11:59 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 22, 2016 at 12:14 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by robvalue - December 22, 2016 at 2:05 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 22, 2016 at 3:34 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by robvalue - December 23, 2016 at 3:55 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by AceBoogie - December 22, 2016 at 1:04 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Minimalist - December 22, 2016 at 3:12 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by comet - December 22, 2016 at 6:18 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Angrboda - December 22, 2016 at 9:20 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by SteveII - December 23, 2016 at 10:06 am
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Angrboda - December 23, 2016 at 1:27 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Tonus - December 23, 2016 at 2:19 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by Tonus - December 23, 2016 at 7:07 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by robvalue - December 23, 2016 at 3:53 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by vorlon13 - December 23, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by robvalue - December 24, 2016 at 1:40 pm
RE: "God doesn't Exist"- Claim or Conclusion - by robvalue - December 25, 2016 at 2:52 pm

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