(December 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm)SteveII Wrote: [1] As I said a few pages back: We have the events of the NT as evidence, we have personal experiences of billions of people as evidence, we have all the formal natural theology arguments which articulate an inference to the existence of God based on natural evidence. While you might not like the evidence or think it is compelling, that is your subjective opinion and does not equate to "no evidence".
You are presenting anecdotes and opinions as evidence. It isn't. It's not that the evidence isn't enough to convince us is that it doesn't even count as evidence.
"My left big toe can hold an independent conversation in greek and my left testicle has an honours degree from Princeton" According to the weak standards of evidence you are willing to accept, this counts as evidence. It may not be "good" evidence but you cant say there is no evidence! that is what you are basically saying. "Be more guilible and then we can talk".
(December 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm)SteveII Wrote: [2] Your hyper skepticism of what we know about the universe seems manufactured to deny the supernatural. You invoke "science" at every turn as the measure of all things and then make a philosophical statement that we can't trust what we have learned.
Supernatural is not a thing as far as I know. It is just a word people use when they want to not have to really have an idea of what they are talking about.
(December 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm)SteveII Wrote: [3] None. How could science, the study of natural things, be proposed as the measure of supernatural things?
I don't know the how do we test for mugbloods or orcs either?
(December 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm)SteveII Wrote: [4] Vast stretches of human knowledge is unfalsifiable. Logic, mathematics, ethics, aesthetics, language, art, etc. Is all this "meaningless"?
No but supernatural only makes sense where it comes to stories.
(December 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm)SteveII Wrote: [5] Yes, the supernatural is beyond our detection--up until the point it interacts with the natural world (see #1). We cannot investigate it since it is causally one direction.
Prove that such a thing as supernatural exists. The I'll listen.
(December 23, 2016 at 1:36 pm)SteveII Wrote: [6] Except over 6.5 billion people alive right this minute think that the supernatural exist and so the question is therefore important. Scientism is very limiting view of reality.
Those people are all wrong. The truth is not a popularity contest.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis.
