RE: Is atheism a scientific perspective?
December 23, 2016 at 7:06 pm
(This post was last modified: December 23, 2016 at 7:08 pm by AAA.)
(December 23, 2016 at 6:51 pm)Chas Wrote:(December 23, 2016 at 6:35 pm)AAA Wrote: All I was trying to say was that intelligence is the only known cause capable of producing specified/sequential information.
You are presupposing that this information was specified. From that error the rest of your erroneous conclusions follow.
Quote:Someone said that was wrong, so I asked them if they know of another cause. I'm not saying that because we don't know how it was done we appeal to God, I'm saying that because we know intelligence is capable, then it is not irrational to conclude that it played a role.
What would you consider evidence of design?
I understand natural selection. It isn't a creative force, it just allows the genes of the most reproductively successful to increase in frequency.
It is a shaping force. New information is created by mutation and recombination.
Quote:You assume that the best reproducers are the ones that have deviated more from the norm.
First, I assume no such thing.
Second, don't tell me what I think.
(December 23, 2016 at 6:45 pm)AAA Wrote: I didn't say "If not god than what". You know that there is only one known cause capable of producing this type of information. It is possible that there is another cause that has eluded scientists for decades, but I don't see a reason to stretch my imagination to believe that.
Wrong. Natural selection does it.
This information is specified. It accomplishes a desired and specific function. Natural selection is not a shaping force, unless you mean it shaping populations. Even then, I would argue that it is a mechanism to prevent genetic degradation by removing the individuals that suffer mutations. And you said it yourself that mutation and recombination are responsible for the new information. This means that you do in fact assume that the best reproducers are the ones that have deviated from the norm (the mutated ones). And we have no idea to what extent mutation/ recombination add information. We don't even know if they can at all. Assuming that it can add seemingly infinite information is way too speculative for me.
(December 23, 2016 at 7:04 pm)Alasdair Ham Wrote: AAA,
See sometimes in life... a mommy lifeform and a daddy lifeform love each other very much and they get certain urges...
Only joking. Love not necessary for the fuckin' 'n' evolvin'
So let me get this straight. You think that near infinite complexity will arise given a replicating system, time, and environmental pressure?