RE: Christianity actually condones murder
January 2, 2017 at 10:51 pm
(This post was last modified: January 2, 2017 at 11:35 pm by Brian37.)
(January 2, 2017 at 7:47 pm)Godschild Wrote:(January 2, 2017 at 1:17 pm)Crossless1 Wrote: On its face, this is a ridiculous commandment since (A) Yahweh kills and orders to be killed untold numbers throughout the OT and (B) even leaving that aside, the entire sacrificial system is premised on a breathtaking amount of slaughter. Believers, of course, wave away all of that by appeal to divine command morality. If God does it or orders it, it is necessarily good no matter how arbitrary and evil it may appear (and who are you, clay pot, to question the designs of your maker?).
GC Wrote:This universe and all in it belong to Him, He is supreme, greater than all his creation and has the right to do with it as He sees fit. Yes Christians are clay vessels, being molded by the great Potter. Those who are not Christians are being molded by a corrupt world. I'm not saying Christians are better than non-christians what I am saying is that we have been given a better and more perfect moral base, one we should practice daily not just when we find it convenient. There is no reason to question the One who creates us, we are the clay and He is the potter, but then it seems you have trouble digesting this way of living.
Crossless1 Wrote:If the commandment is understood instead to be, "Thou shall not murder," then the commandment is pointless in a 'no shit, Sherlock' kind of way, since "murder" means unjustified/unlawful killing. But maybe the chosen people needed reminding of such a basic moral point. At least this commandment isn't directed at alleged thought crimes like so many others.
GC Wrote:That's exactly what it means and think you know this. Seems the first born man did not have a grasp on this moral idea and if God had let the situation go then we would have a right to believe it so. However there was punishment and later a commandment written against murder, seems to me every state in this union has this written down. So are both reminders that we should not murder or a reminder if someone does there's a punishment.
On thought crimes, Jesus was telling us that our thoughts were what we act upon and when we begin to think wrongly we will allow those thoughts to manifest into sin.
Crossless1 Wrote:No, Christianity as such does not condone murder. But many Christians reveal much about their ethical bankruptcy when they stoop to explain and justify the atrocities in their holy book while telling the rest of us that we are unreasonable to question the 'goodness' or necessity of such bloodshed. I include the torture and execution of your savior in that observation.
GC Wrote:Thanks for being honest about Christianity not condoning murder, some others here seem to think differently. To question God is not for us to do because we know He is perfect in all He says and does, I understand that non-believers do not understand why we Christians do not question God on these things.
The execution of Christ was planned before creation, He could have stopped it at any point, but He didn't, ever wonder why He the omniscent God allowed this thing to happen. Something to work over in one's mind even if one doesn't believe.
GC
"Thou shalt not kill" is cherry picking the bible. It most certainly is ok in the OT and NT and end times.
Even in the NT the Jesus CHARACTER, because that is all he is said "Think not that I bring peace, I bring not peace, but a sword". He even tells you in the NT to abandon family and friends if they don't follow him. Now, if you think those words would not cause someone to resort to violence to defend the religion, you are delusional.
The OT is full of God committing acts of violence or condoning acts of violence on other tribes. Not even "thou shalt not kill" is the top commandment, he doesn't get to humans until the 5th. The first 4 are all about kissing his ass.
So that "Thou shalt not kill" really means don't kill anyone in your own tribe. Outside that at best, you tolerate outsiders as long as they know their place. Fine print is a bitch, and the bible is full of contradictions.
Now again, if your alleged God is "all powerful" and "all loving" it would seem a pretty shitty thing to do to leave humans with a assembly manual nobody can agree on and left with several versions to which people still murder each other over. It would be like if you had two kids and stuck knives (different interpretations) into their hands, and said "Stab each other till someone dies, and their interpretation is right and because they survived, they show they love me the best".
The bible like the OT like the Koran are all gang manuals, where the only real tolerance was for the people back then when those books of myth were written, were if the other tribes submitted.