RE: Evidence for the existence of God
January 12, 2017 at 5:17 pm
(This post was last modified: January 12, 2017 at 5:21 pm by Mister Agenda.)
Yadayadayada Wrote:FatAndFaithless Wrote:Arguments from personal incredulity aside...
"Argument from personal incredulity" is itself a weak argument, since incredulity is perfectly acceptable if warranted.
Incredulity is perfectly acceptable if it's justified, yes. It's not an argument at all lacking that justification. You don't get to stop at 'I find that hard to believe' because the obvious retort is 'well, I don't find that hard to believe'.
Yadayadayada Wrote:FatAndFaithless Wrote:Yes, a god that started creation, then ceased to have any measurable effect on reality at all, is indistinguishable from one that doesn't exist.
How so? Even if God started creation then ceased to have any measurable effect on reality, would not the existence of creation itself still testify to the fact of it being created by God?
No, that would be affirming the consequent.
If A, then B.
B, therefore A.
If God, then the universe.
The universe, therefore God.
If I am Bill Gates, I am rich.
I am rich, therefore I am Bill Gates.
So far as we can tell, there are multiple other plausible causes for the universe; if there is a creator, it has chosen to create a universe that appears to have the property that it doesn't require a creator to explain it.
Yadayadayada Wrote:The existence of your computer testifies to the fact that some tech people put it together and programmed it, even though they do not come over to your house every day to maintain it.
It testifies to that fact because we KNOW that's where computers come from. That's why it's a fact.
Yadayadayada Wrote:What I consider to be evidence of God has no bearing whatsoever on my question.
Once again, this thread is not about me. It's about you. I'm asking you what you think.
You don't seem to have much to say about the posts where the person tells you what would convince them.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.