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Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
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Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
Hey there,

When I first became interested in the questions of theology, God's existence, etc. I used to hold the atheist position in high regard, it looked like a very logical position to endorse when one isn't convinced of some particular account of God. I started to become highly suspicious of that when I discovered that all the big objections to theism simply fail miserably. 

A better way to show why these objections are really bad is to apply them to anything, to show that anything can't exist. So, let's rule out the existence of peanut butter;

Argument from the diversity of peanuts:

P1: There are many subspecies/types of peanuts. Each type has particular properties, a different taste, a different pod structure and variable seed sizes
P2: Peanut butter is so sweet that its sweetness should uniformly have the same miraculous taste for all mankind

C: peanut butter can't exist because it's incoherent

Argument from peanut evil :

P1: An ensnared fawn caught wildfire, the fawn is burned to death, it must have suffered heavily
P2: Something that tastes as sweet as peanut butter wouldn't let a fawn suffer, this food is too sweet to coexist with evil

C: peanut butter can't exist because of evil

Argument from peanut butter's hiddenness:

P1: Peanut butter isn't available in my local area.
P2: Peanut butter is so sweet that it wouldn't leave someone in my area who craves for it unsatisfied

C: peanut butter isn't that sweet after all

As you can see, these ridiculous arguments hardly differ from the objections we hear often aimed at undermining theism. Arguing from evil is by definition arguing from ignorance, when philosophers endorsing atheism became aware of that, they came up with an ad-hoc distinction between justified evil and unnecessary evil, which is, again, another fat fallacy of arguing from ignorance, because they can't prove that some instance of evil is unnecessary without begging the question. The issue of hiddenness is very similar because it presupposes that there can't be any good reason for God not directly revealing Himself to our senses. Finally, religious diversity is probably the most ridiculous of all three, simply because many conflicting accounts of the divine doesn't mean that they are all false, nor does it undermine any of God's properties.

All this simply means that atheology fails, whereas theology provides many compelling arguments/reasons to believe in God. Theism is the only acceptable worldview. QED.
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#2
RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
god is make believe.
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#3
RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
So typical dumb analogies that in no way shape or form resemble objections to god. Nice job affirming why no one here takes you seriously  Hehe
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”
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#4
RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
OP: I don't care about any of the drivel you posted. Show me concrete evidence for god and I'll consider it.

And no one can argue a god into existence.
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#5
RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
Well, I’m convinced. God is a jar of peanut butter.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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#6
RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
(September 7, 2021 at 7:46 pm)brewer Wrote: OP: I don't care about any of the drivel you posted. Show me concrete evidence for god and I'll consider it.

And no one can argue a god into existence.
Also, all his analogies for peanut butter are not even close to those same to the objections for god. Just more dumb word games to defend his baseless fairytales.

(September 7, 2021 at 7:48 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote: Well, I’m convinced. God is a jar of peanut butter.

Boru
God is not worthy to be peanut butter
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”
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#7
RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
Chemists can give the chemical formulas of various types of peanut butter.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
(September 7, 2021 at 7:46 pm)brewer Wrote: Show me concrete evidence for god

Category mistake: asking for concrete/empirical evidence for the existence of a non-empirical being.

Your request is logically invalid
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RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
(September 7, 2021 at 7:56 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(September 7, 2021 at 7:46 pm)brewer Wrote: Show me concrete evidence for god

Category mistake: asking for concrete/empirical evidence for the existence of a non-empirical being.

Your request is logically invalid

Show me evidence of the ISM, the Invisible Sock Monster.
And without delay Peter went quickly out of the synagogue (assembly) and went unto the house of Marcellus, where Simon lodged: and much people followed him...And Peter turned unto the people that followed him and said: Ye shall now see a great and marvellous wonder. And Peter seeing a great dog bound with a strong chain, went to him and loosed him, and when he was loosed the dog received a man's voice and said unto Peter: What dost thou bid me to do, thou servant of the unspeakable and living God? Peter said unto him: Go in and say unto Simon in the midst of his company: Peter saith unto thee, Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And immediately the dog ran and entered in, and rushed into the midst of them that were with Simon, and lifted up his forefeet and in a loud voice said: Thou Simon, Peter the servant of Christ who standeth at the door saith unto thee: Come forth abroad, for thy sake am I come to Rome, thou most wicked one and deceiver of simple souls. And when Simon heard it, and beheld the incredible sight, he lost the words wherewith he was deceiving them that stood by, and all of them were amazed. (The Acts of Peter, 9)
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RE: Atheism and the existence of peanut butter
Nah it's not a category error. or illogical  It's simply inconvenient  for you because wouldn't be allowed to just pull things out of your ass (theology)

Now make with the actual evidence or shut up and go bother other people with apologist hackery. Because we're not playing by your rules.
“The sun from far gives life. But get close to it and it burns anything down to ashes”
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