I Find It Offensive; How About You

[BethK]

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We believe in evolution (generally) and we definitely do not believe the Jewish Zombie who is his own father born to a virginal mother, who died, came back to life 3 days later, walking on water nonsense.

A freethinker who uses simple reason understands that this is not possible.

To put mildly, a freethinker is someone who is a thinking person. Anyone who genuinely believes desert goat herder nonsense, is not a thinking person.

Please don't resort to belittling my beliefs and calling Jesus a 'zombie'. Yes, but I could have changed my beliefs later in life, but I didn't. I believe in evolution too, and I don't believe all of what the Bible says to be true, only some of it. I made a choice not to believe in the ridiculous things in the Bible. Doesn't that make me a freethinker by that logic? I still hold true to my belief that Agnostics are the only freethinkers, though. In any case, I have to leave now, I look forward to talking about this later with you all.

Your beliefs seem strange. You believe the Bible, as far as what it says about religion, worship, and any number of things which violate the rules of how things work in this world - e.g., you believe in some of these miracles. Like, the one about Jesus being his own father, born of a virgin, really, truly, died and came back from the dead, who could walk through walls - but you believe in evolution (and disbelieve that God created it all one day), disbelieve the other "ridiculous" things in the Bible. How in the world do you choose? I suppose that you have not sold everything to give it to the poor (Luke 18:22, Matthew 19:21, Mark 10:21)? If you haven't done that, you could sell everything and give it to your "church", which will hold everything in common, and give it to each according to need? (Acts 2:44-45)? (Communist Manifesto, anyone?) Do you believe that God broke Peter out of prison (Acts 12:7-10)? Do you shun medical science in favor of faith healing? (Matthew 9:22, 9:35) In short, HOW do you decide what things to pick to believe, and how do you decide which ones not to believe?

Agnostic is not a state of faith, but is a state of knowledge. Gnosis is from Greek, meaning "knowledge". Gnostic is "one who has knowledge". Agnostic negates that, so an agnostic is "one without knowledge". No one has objective knowledge on whether or not God exists. One who is agnostic (about the existence of God) and does not have a belief in God is just plain an atheist. One who is agnostic (about the existence of God) but maintains a belief in God (any God), is just plain a theist, or a believer if you prefer.