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A question to all atheists!
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RE: A question to all atheists!
(January 29, 2017 at 12:46 pm)Alex K Wrote:
(January 29, 2017 at 11:28 am)Gestas Wrote: So assume that time is interwoven with the natural world and answer the hypothetical...


Not if the pre 20th century notions are correct. To say something is incorrect just because it is old is a logical fallacy. You need do better than that.


So let's start from the beginning (lul).

What is wrong with the idea that time is interwoven in the natural world?

What is wrong with the idea that time is independent of the natural world?

Yes we can know they are likely wrong, because modern physics has shown us that the old intuitive notions of a fixed linear timeline are incorrect.

If we assume time is an inseparable part of nature, your hypothetical can't be answered because of there is no time, the is no notion of "there was no natural world, and *then* there was". The sentence doesn't make sense and therefore cannot be answered.

So do you think the natural world always existed or do you think that it didn't always exist?

Please note that I'm not asking if you know. I'm asking what you think given logic and contemporary scientific evidence. Just like you don't know if gravity will be here tomorrow, but you think it will be given logic and evidence.
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A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 28, 2017 at 8:26 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 28, 2017 at 8:28 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 28, 2017 at 8:32 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 28, 2017 at 8:34 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 28, 2017 at 8:39 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 28, 2017 at 8:46 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 28, 2017 at 8:51 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 28, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 28, 2017 at 8:56 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 28, 2017 at 9:01 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 28, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by downbeatplumb - January 29, 2017 at 5:58 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 29, 2017 at 2:19 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Aoi Magi - January 29, 2017 at 2:22 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Whateverist - January 30, 2017 at 12:10 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by chimp3 - January 28, 2017 at 8:37 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Chad32 - January 28, 2017 at 8:41 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 28, 2017 at 8:44 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Astreja - January 28, 2017 at 8:45 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Mr Greene - January 28, 2017 at 8:48 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by flagbears - January 28, 2017 at 8:54 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 28, 2017 at 10:11 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 2:20 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 2:37 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 2:41 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 2:58 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 3:04 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 3:05 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 3:08 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 6:00 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 11:28 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 12:46 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 1:26 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 3:40 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 4:05 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 4:25 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:23 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 29, 2017 at 7:32 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:34 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 29, 2017 at 7:36 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Angrboda - January 29, 2017 at 6:48 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 4:07 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by maestroanth - January 29, 2017 at 4:17 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Joods - January 29, 2017 at 5:44 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 8:28 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 11:19 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 11:24 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:36 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:42 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 1:34 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 1:40 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by downbeatplumb - January 29, 2017 at 2:31 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:09 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:16 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:23 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:26 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Joods - January 29, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by ignoramus - January 29, 2017 at 5:51 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Aoi Magi - January 29, 2017 at 5:58 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Aoi Magi - January 29, 2017 at 8:37 am
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 8:57 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 11:01 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 29, 2017 at 10:04 am
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 11:59 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:07 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 12:15 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 29, 2017 at 12:15 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 12:23 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 12:27 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 12:37 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Mr Greene - January 29, 2017 at 1:01 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 1:42 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 29, 2017 at 1:52 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Mr Greene - January 29, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Mr Greene - January 29, 2017 at 2:09 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Assimilate - January 29, 2017 at 2:08 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 2:29 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Assimilate - January 29, 2017 at 3:05 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 1:42 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 2:23 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 2:34 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 5:46 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by The Valkyrie - January 29, 2017 at 5:53 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 7:34 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:38 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 7:39 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:45 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 29, 2017 at 7:40 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 7:36 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 7:41 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 7:50 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:51 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 29, 2017 at 7:53 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:54 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 29, 2017 at 7:58 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 8:01 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 29, 2017 at 8:08 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by ignoramus - January 29, 2017 at 8:43 pm
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RE: A question to all atheists! - by Assimilate - January 29, 2017 at 8:12 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 29, 2017 at 8:35 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Assimilate - January 29, 2017 at 9:18 pm
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RE: A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 9:37 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by The Valkyrie - January 29, 2017 at 9:41 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 8:50 pm
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RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 29, 2017 at 9:02 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by The Valkyrie - January 29, 2017 at 9:03 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 9:57 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 29, 2017 at 10:01 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by ignoramus - January 29, 2017 at 9:51 pm
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RE: A question to all atheists! - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 29, 2017 at 10:16 pm
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RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 11:09 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Angrboda - January 30, 2017 at 12:02 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 30, 2017 at 1:22 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Amarok - January 30, 2017 at 1:50 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 30, 2017 at 1:53 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 30, 2017 at 2:34 am
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 10:27 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by ignoramus - January 29, 2017 at 10:28 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 11:31 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 11:48 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 30, 2017 at 12:17 am
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RE: A question to all atheists! - by Amarok - January 30, 2017 at 1:56 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by ignoramus - January 30, 2017 at 2:16 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 30, 2017 at 2:40 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 30, 2017 at 2:45 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 30, 2017 at 2:44 am
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RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 30, 2017 at 4:09 am
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RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 30, 2017 at 5:55 am
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RE: A question to all atheists! - by Mr Greene - January 30, 2017 at 9:24 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 30, 2017 at 9:53 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 30, 2017 at 9:58 am
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 30, 2017 at 12:16 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 30, 2017 at 12:35 pm
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