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A question to all atheists!
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RE: A question to all atheists!
(January 29, 2017 at 12:50 pm)Gestas Wrote:
(January 29, 2017 at 12:46 pm)Alex K Wrote: Yes we can know they are likely wrong, because modern physics has shown us that the old intuitive notions of a fixed linear timeline are incorrect.

If we assume time is an inseparable part of nature, your hypothetical can't be answered because of there is no time, the is no notion of "there was no natural world, and *then* there was". The sentence doesn't make sense and therefore cannot be answered.

So do you think the natural world always existed or do you think that it didn't always exist?

You apparently aren't even aware of your implicit outdated/inconsistent assumptions - if you ask me whether I think the natural world has always existed or not, you are already assuming an eternal and linear timeline which is independent of the natural world. So, you are either begging the question or saying something inconsistent.

Quote:Please note that I'm not asking if you know. I'm asking what you think given logic and contemporary scientific evidence. Just like you don't know if gravity will be here tomorrow, but you think it will be given logic and evidence.

My position is that contemporary scientific evidence strongly suggests that your hypothetical is not a consistent question that can be answered because time, as a part of spacetime, is a dynamic object with an "ontological status" on par with the contents of the universe (matter, radiation), therefore constitutes a piece of natural world. Therefore, if time exists as we know it, the natural world exists automatically. Therefore your question is inconsistent, see my sentence above.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is a God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
Psalm 14, KJV revised edition

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A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 28, 2017 at 8:26 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 28, 2017 at 8:28 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 28, 2017 at 8:32 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 28, 2017 at 8:34 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 28, 2017 at 8:39 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 28, 2017 at 8:46 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 28, 2017 at 8:51 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 28, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 28, 2017 at 8:56 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 28, 2017 at 9:01 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 28, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by downbeatplumb - January 29, 2017 at 5:58 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gawdzilla Sama - January 29, 2017 at 2:19 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Aoi Magi - January 29, 2017 at 2:22 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Whateverist - January 30, 2017 at 12:10 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by chimp3 - January 28, 2017 at 8:37 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Chad32 - January 28, 2017 at 8:41 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 28, 2017 at 8:44 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Astreja - January 28, 2017 at 8:45 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Mr Greene - January 28, 2017 at 8:48 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by flagbears - January 28, 2017 at 8:54 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 28, 2017 at 10:11 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 2:20 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 2:37 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 2:41 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 2:58 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 3:04 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 3:05 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 3:08 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 6:00 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 11:28 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 12:46 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 1:26 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 3:40 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 4:05 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 4:25 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:23 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 29, 2017 at 7:32 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:34 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 29, 2017 at 7:36 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Angrboda - January 29, 2017 at 6:48 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 4:07 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by maestroanth - January 29, 2017 at 4:17 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Joods - January 29, 2017 at 5:44 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 8:28 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 11:19 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 11:24 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:36 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:42 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 1:34 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 1:40 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by downbeatplumb - January 29, 2017 at 2:31 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:09 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:16 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:23 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:26 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Joods - January 29, 2017 at 5:02 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by ignoramus - January 29, 2017 at 5:51 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Aoi Magi - January 29, 2017 at 5:58 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Aoi Magi - January 29, 2017 at 8:37 am
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 8:57 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 11:01 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 29, 2017 at 10:04 am
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 11:42 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 11:59 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 12:07 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 12:15 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 29, 2017 at 12:15 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 12:23 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 12:27 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 12:37 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Mr Greene - January 29, 2017 at 1:01 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 1:42 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 29, 2017 at 1:52 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Mr Greene - January 29, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Mr Greene - January 29, 2017 at 2:09 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Assimilate - January 29, 2017 at 2:08 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 2:29 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Assimilate - January 29, 2017 at 3:05 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 1:42 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 2:23 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 2:34 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 5:46 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by The Valkyrie - January 29, 2017 at 5:53 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 7:34 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:38 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 7:39 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:45 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 29, 2017 at 7:40 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 7:36 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 7:41 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 29, 2017 at 7:50 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:51 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 29, 2017 at 7:53 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 7:54 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 29, 2017 at 7:58 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 8:01 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 29, 2017 at 8:08 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by ignoramus - January 29, 2017 at 8:43 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by The Valkyrie - January 29, 2017 at 8:45 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Assimilate - January 29, 2017 at 8:12 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 29, 2017 at 8:35 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Assimilate - January 29, 2017 at 9:18 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by The Valkyrie - January 29, 2017 at 9:37 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 9:37 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by The Valkyrie - January 29, 2017 at 9:41 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 29, 2017 at 8:50 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by The Valkyrie - January 29, 2017 at 8:55 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 29, 2017 at 9:02 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by The Valkyrie - January 29, 2017 at 9:03 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 9:33 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 9:57 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 29, 2017 at 10:01 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by ignoramus - January 29, 2017 at 9:51 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by pocaracas - January 29, 2017 at 10:12 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - January 29, 2017 at 10:16 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 10:27 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 10:38 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 11:09 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Angrboda - January 30, 2017 at 12:02 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 30, 2017 at 1:22 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Amarok - January 30, 2017 at 1:50 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 30, 2017 at 1:53 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 30, 2017 at 2:34 am
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 10:27 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by ignoramus - January 29, 2017 at 10:28 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 11:31 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 29, 2017 at 11:48 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 30, 2017 at 12:17 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by pocaracas - January 30, 2017 at 3:57 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 30, 2017 at 4:00 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 11:42 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 29, 2017 at 11:47 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 29, 2017 at 11:49 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by paulpablo - January 30, 2017 at 12:18 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Whateverist - January 30, 2017 at 12:23 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Angrboda - January 30, 2017 at 12:35 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by ignoramus - January 30, 2017 at 12:37 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 30, 2017 at 1:07 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 30, 2017 at 1:23 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 30, 2017 at 1:48 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 30, 2017 at 1:53 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Amarok - January 30, 2017 at 1:56 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by ignoramus - January 30, 2017 at 2:16 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 30, 2017 at 2:40 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 30, 2017 at 2:45 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Jesster - January 30, 2017 at 2:44 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by pocaracas - January 30, 2017 at 4:02 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 30, 2017 at 4:09 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by pocaracas - January 30, 2017 at 6:01 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Gestas - January 30, 2017 at 11:52 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by pocaracas - January 30, 2017 at 12:55 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by downbeatplumb - January 30, 2017 at 4:47 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 30, 2017 at 5:55 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 30, 2017 at 6:39 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LastPoet - January 30, 2017 at 6:45 am
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RE: A question to all atheists! - by LastPoet - January 30, 2017 at 7:06 am
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RE: A question to all atheists! - by LastPoet - January 30, 2017 at 7:20 am
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 30, 2017 at 8:27 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Whateverist - January 30, 2017 at 8:29 am
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 30, 2017 at 8:30 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by LastPoet - January 30, 2017 at 8:34 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Whateverist - January 30, 2017 at 8:34 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by downbeatplumb - January 30, 2017 at 8:44 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Mr Greene - January 30, 2017 at 9:24 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Cyberman - January 30, 2017 at 9:53 am
RE: A question to all atheists! - by robvalue - January 30, 2017 at 9:58 am
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 30, 2017 at 12:16 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 30, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Catholic_Lady - January 30, 2017 at 12:54 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by The Valkyrie - January 30, 2017 at 3:07 pm
A question to all atheists! - by LadyForCamus - January 30, 2017 at 1:12 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by brewer - January 30, 2017 at 1:16 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Edwardo Piet - January 30, 2017 at 1:19 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Alex K - January 30, 2017 at 2:06 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Whateverist - January 30, 2017 at 2:19 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Longhorn - January 30, 2017 at 2:38 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Joods - January 30, 2017 at 4:43 pm
RE: A question to all atheists! - by Edwardo Piet - January 30, 2017 at 7:38 pm

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