(January 29, 2017 at 4:05 pm)Gestas Wrote: So do you believe there was never a state of affairs where there was no natural world? If so, then you believe time, including the natural world, has always existed. Therefore, the natural world is past-eternal. Which is what I've been saying is the most logical explanation (if you're atheist).
Neither the world being past eternal nor everything coming from nothing is more 'logical' than the other. Neither is postulating a necessary being any less absurd.
You've got a hatful of hair and you're trying to call it soup. Logic says nothing when all possibilities are equally absurd.
Does the universe have a boundary? What is outside that boundary? You're talking nonsense.