RE: A question to all atheists!
January 30, 2017 at 12:23 am
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2017 at 12:27 am by Whateverist.)
(January 28, 2017 at 8:26 pm)Gestas Wrote: I am interested in the community's thoughts on a particular hypothetical proposition. And for the sake of this discussion nothing means nonexistent, zero potentiality, or a state of affairs where not one thing exists (regardless of what the things are made of). The natural world would mean all matter and energy, including the behavior the matter and energy exhibits.
The hypothetical proposition is the natural world did not always exist. In other words, there was state of affairs where there was no natural world. Now there is a state of affairs where there is a natural world (planets, gravity, stars, etc.) and we're living in it.
I doubt I will read the 100+ responses between the first page and this one.
Can anyone tell me if the OP includes 'god' as one of the things not present in the hypothetical pure nothing? I mean, if something is capable of bringing about the natural world it sure isn't 'nothing'.
(January 30, 2017 at 12:02 am)Jörmungandr Wrote:(January 29, 2017 at 11:09 pm)Gestas Wrote: I’ll repeat what I wrote earlier. Imagine a possible world where no natural world (including time if you assume time is intertwined with the natural world) existed. In this possible world could a natural world be produced? My answer is no. If your answer is yes, then please explain to me how a timeless state of affairs with zero potentiality would produce a natural world.
You first, princess. You assert that nothingness couldn't just be replaced by something. Got any actual support for your assertion?
Why is 'she' specifying "a possible world where no natural world existed"? Has anyone ever observed or found evidence for any other kind of world? If not, why would anyone suppose anything else at all exists? I don't get it.
