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I am about to ask a serious but utterly reprehensible question
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RE: I am about to ask a serious but utterly reprehensible question
(January 30, 2017 at 11:11 pm)Astonished Wrote: Listen, jackass, you've already proven YOU don't know what the fuck is in your own holy book (big surprise)
Then please show me book chapter and verse where anyone says humanity/the unsaved will burn forever.

I can give you 1/2 a dozen places where Jesus Himself tell us Hell is our second death, it is the place where God destroys souls, we are sent there to be 'consumed' by hell fire.
Not one does Christ tell us we are to burn forever, that is the fate of Satan.

Quote: and since it's all down to interpretation anyway, don't act like you've got the fucking truth that no one else does
That's my point sport. a straight reading makes Hell your second death, your Spiritual death. It takes 'interpretation' to change that to forever torment.

Quote:(pot calling the silverware black with the self-righteous libel, classic projection of your own faults as expected).
Actually no. My Righteousness comes from the bible. Yours/the OP does not it comes from a community of individuals or rather a community of "self."

Do you understand? there is only the righteousness of God and our own version or SELF Righteousness. Mine is the righteousness of God.

Quote:The way people interpret it informs what they do to their children and THAT is the god damn problem, not whether any of it is true or not, so you've missed the point (shocking) entirely and are just making yourself look like a bigger idiot.
For some this is true, but how is this any different than how one of you (the self righteous without God) Warps the minds of your children when you teach them of your morality and the dangers of becoming one of it's boogey men?

Quote:The contradictions in the book and lack of clarity and need for subjective interpretation aside,
Holy crap dude can I get a period from you every now and again?
Here's the thing sport, I am beating you over the head with a straight forward off the page reading, of Jesus' own description of Hell.
The only time one need a 'specialty reading' is one is compiling a doctrine from several different points of the bible. I am not teaching you a 'church doctrine' I am simply pointing out what Christ had to directly say about Hell which is indeed in conflict with how most religious people view Hell. Why because like you they do not read their bibles for themselves but read through church doctrine, and the problem that creates is that one does not know for himself which is true.

I promise you, You Can Read Straight through and Get 80% of what is being communicated if you simply take what is off page for face value. The problem is take what you will take away does fly in the face of most religions. So then you have a choice to make... Follow the God of the bible or the gods of religion.

Quote: you seem to have had part of your brain removed to miss that it doesn't matter what salvation does, nothing removes that impurity, it's just a mercy extended that we don't deserve, so we're still tainted and have no value, a proposition which makes absolutely no sense (not a logical fallacy, just a typical completely backward iron age myth).
Bwahahahaha!!! Again book Chapter and verse please.
Jesus Christ Paid a very High Price for our salvation, which denotes or suggests a great value, even if this valuable gift is simply given to us. If I give you a 2017 BMX X5 M5 does it mean what I gave you has no value? IF I give you a 75 or 80K car doesn't that also mean I see your worth equal to or greater than what was given/sacrificed?

Now let's say we are in a fox hole together and in comes a grenade, and I jump on it to protect you. What does that say? It says I value your life, over my own. Christ Himself said that is the Greatest expression of Love one man can show another. (Is to give his life for another) John in Chapter three of his epistle said God so loved all of us, that He gave us His son... Then the Son Love us to Give Himself... Through all of these hands This love is passed, so then how can you say there is no value to the one who receives?

And yes the sin you committed has indeed been completely atoned for. And yes you are still a sinner, but so what? Do you not understand the nature of salvation? It is not a last chance, but a measure God put in place so He can live with those who can not earn a live with Him.


Quote: So lay a guilt trip on a kid, paint the image of hell in their minds, and keep them feeling worthless because of it, never fucking mind that there's a loophole, that doesn't mean you're worthy, it means there's an undeserved hand being extended and you'll still spend eternity as a lowly worm being trod upon by self-righteous tyrants who need constant colonic irrigations and like to employ human lips for the task.
I'm sorry but you are describing a pretty stupid kid. Is he like 4? I mean seriously to me this conversation is not something a 4year old need to be completely burdened with, least he be made to implode. I'm thinking this is a conversation a 12 or 13 year old needs to have and understand. Now unless this little fragile snow flake is so self absorbed in his own self worth (which if he is needs this reality check) he should be able to work out what I just told you.

That yes WE Are All Sinners All the time and there is nothing anyone can do about it outside what God did. Which means God knows we are all sinners all the time as well. Then that would mean there is NO FRIGGEN EXPECTATION OF PERFECTION, and if that is the case then this kid shouldn't have a problem be labeled a sinner.
You know unless he is of a single mind.
Example:
unga bunga, me no like being called sinner.

Unga Bunga Sinner Bad.. Dat Mean me bad! Unga Bunga! Unga Bunga OO OO ME NOT BAD!!! ME Good guy! Dis Mean You Only Tell Me good Things dat make ears tickle when you say them!! SAY ONLY GOOD THING!!

Alternatively if the kid is not retarded or self absorbed he should be able to work out:
1) All have sinned and fallen short the glory of God.
2)This does not matter because Jesus offers atonement for all who simply believe.
3)That means being labeled a sinner simply pushes one to accept atonement for sin.
4)once we are 'saved' we are free from the law as a means to define our righteousness.
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RE: I am about to ask a serious but utterly reprehensible question - by Drich - January 31, 2017 at 11:05 am

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