RE: Guys do you believe Howard Storm's NDE?
February 8, 2017 at 6:29 am
(This post was last modified: February 8, 2017 at 6:41 am by Angrboda.)
(February 8, 2017 at 5:51 am)Little Rik Wrote:(February 7, 2017 at 1:18 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: This is all beside the point. First you're claiming that OOBEs and NDEs are not hallucinations. Now you seem to be acknowledging that some OOBEs might be hallucinations. Well OOBEs are a frequent part of NDEs, if they can be hallucinations, then so can NDEs. So the question to you is, can the mind hallucinate that it is having an OOBE instead of actually being outside the body? If not, then what about the woman seeing her prone body wearing long johns?
You don't get it yog, do you?![]()
Hallucinations are hardly remembered while OBE and NDEs are remembered in a vivid, clear and sharp vision for a lifetime.
Get over with that yog for your own mental stability.
We've already covered this and you were wrong then and you're still wrong. G-LOC and ketamine hallucinations can be very real. You're like a fucking broken record. You never learn anything.
(February 8, 2017 at 5:51 am)Little Rik Wrote:Quote:How close are we to understanding the brain mechanisms responsible for hallucinations in psychotic disorders like schizophrenia? Among the various complex symptoms of psychotic disorders, it would seem that hallucinations might be a relatively discrete and precisely defined symptom, and therefore amenable to understanding the brain mechanisms involved. As a first approach to studying the mechanism of hallucinations, psychologically normal individuals with hallucinations due to lesions have been studied, and the lesion was generally found to be in the brain pathway of the sensory modality (e.g., auditory, visual, somatic) of the hallucination.6 For example, the complex visual hallucinations seen in Charles Bonnet syndrome are most often caused by damage to the visual system such as macular degeneration or lesions to the central nervous system pathway between the eye and the visual cortex.7
Recently, neuroimaging technology has been used quite extensively in an attempt to understand the brain regions and circuitry involved in the generation of hallucinations. Patients with schizophrenia experiencing auditory hallucinations have been studied most often. It might be expected that the basis for auditory hallucinations would be found in the brain regions known to subserve normal audition, language perception and language production. To briefly summarize these, the primary auditory cortex, which is involved with the perception of pure tone and pitch, is located on the dorsal surface of the superior temporal gyrus. This is surrounded by secondary auditory association areas that are involved in identifying more complex auditory sequences like the phonetic features of speech (but not its meaning). The middle temporal gyrus also contains association cortex responding to understandable speech. The 2 main language epicentres are the Wernicke area located in the posterior temporal and parietal cortex, which connects word meanings with objects and concepts, and the Broca area located in the inferior frontal gyrus, which is involved in sentence production. In addition, the anterior cingulate cortex, implicated in affect and attention, is thought to be involved in providing behavioural drive to produce speech, whereas the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex may provide a sense of the voluntary versus involuntary nature of auditory awareness.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2702442/
Quote:Which is it, do hallucinations occur in the brain, or in consciousness?
Hallucinations occur in a brain with a consciousness in it.
NDEs on the other hand occur outside the brain in the consciousness that has separate from the body-brain.
So what's with OOBEs where they imagine false details like the woman wearing long johns? You seem to have an aversion to answering this question.
It's also worth noting then that Howard Storm and Pam Reynolds then had hallucinations, not NDEs, with all of the features of NDEs, including conversion to theistic belief afterwards. Thanks for proving my point for me.
(February 8, 2017 at 5:51 am)Little Rik Wrote:(February 7, 2017 at 10:38 am)Little Rik Wrote: It depend what layer of mind are you talking about mate Stim.
The super conscious mind is deep within the pineal gland but other layers of mind are external to it.
Quote:Do you have evidence of this or is this just more religious dogma?
Yes I do.
You can also have such evidence when you will in the future practice intuitional science.
So it's just more bullshit. You don't have evidence. It's dogma.
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(February 7, 2017 at 7:32 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: The question is really simple. If the brain can take you to strange places in dreams, why can't it take you out of your body in an OOBE? It's the same illusion.
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